Real or fake gold piece?

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  1. fretboard

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  3. Coinguy56

    Coinguy56 Member

    I would never buy US coins from out of the country. Even if its the UK. As for the coin, I see some weird looking mushy places around the obverse. And over all, the whole coin looks weird. I vote counterfeit.
     
  4. Texas John

    Texas John Collector of oddments

    Looks fake to me.
     
  5. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    It looks like a badly cleaned, but genuine example to me. Still, why bother/risk it?
     
  6. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    80% fake...(even if not low example)
     
  7. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I think it looks like a genuine piece too.. but it's had a rough life.
     
  8. fretboard

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  9. Luke1988

    Luke1988 New Member

    At that grade you are only looking at the gold content anyway so it does not matter... Walk, no run away and dont look back
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Interesting, I would have suspected both of you to say the opposite. I think it's cast base metal that has been gold plated. There's plenty of marks that look like casting bubbles instead of contact marks, though contact marks certainly abound. And the area where it was soldered on the obverse there appears to be gouges down into the metal that show the base metal - as well as the remaining solder on the surface.
     
  11. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I think there are way too many contact marks there to possibly call anything a definitive casting pit. I see the area of discoloration you mention around the solder... The hole was possibly filled with a small piece of copper and then soldered (the solder looks like a brass based solder anyways)...also I have also seen gold discolor around soldered areas.

    I still feel this is a genuine coin.
     
  12. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    IMO: The coin appears to be to be authentic.

    For one, I see nothing to suggest it's counterfeit -- I see a lot of contact marks and a bad hole patch job. Like Matt above, I don't see any casting marks either.

    Setting aside what we see, and thinking about it for a moment.... I can't for the life of me understand why someone would hole and wear a counterfeit coin long enough to get that many contact marks, then go through the trouble of fixing it. Assuming they would, and it looks too real to me to be a contemporary counterfeit (contemporary counterfeits weren't that good, judging those I've seen from other coins in the era), so the conclusion that the coin is real is strengthened in my eye.

    I'll vote real(ly bad) coin.

    Pass.
     
  13. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    Even if it's real, it's not worth the $250 asking price. That thing looks like it's been run over by a train, a steam roller and a twenty mule team, and thats being kind.
    Guy
     
  14. FishyOne

    FishyOne Member

    It's a 1/4oz of gold?? There's over $330 worth of gold in it regardless of condition. And yes, it looks genuine but worth only melt value.
     
  15. Prestoninanus

    Prestoninanus Junior Member

    Looks genuine to me. I've seen many a genuine gold coin looking that rough from having been mounted and polished to bits. It should be worth buying at a little bit over spot...
     
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