Help me understand why one is 64 and one is 66

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I see a lot of nicks and scratches on the rim of the MS64 - I'd have to think that's where it lost its points. I'm by no means a Morgan expert, but the MS66 has an awful lot of bag marks, including the face - but 1880 S may be a tough strick and they give it the benefit of the doubt.

 

1900-O: I think is above average for the grade. IMO, this one should have the green bean. Very nice MS64!

• Breaks in the fields from 9:30 - 10:30
• Distracting mark above the eye
• Cheek is pretty clean, with only one slight ding (tough to see more from the pic)
• Strike is good, but still not complete. Hair above ear is average
• Reverse: Mark on the eagles head
• Reverse: field marks on between body and eagles left wing
• I can see the semi-PL on obverse and reverse

1880-S: I think this one is overgraded and can't believe they gave it a green bean

• Way too many hits on the cheek for a 66. The 64 has a much better cheek and this is the main focal point on the obverse
• Clear die polish lines on the obverse and strong fields on the reverse as well.
• I'll bet this has a lot of luster in-hand and could almost be PL.
• Hard to tell more from the picture. It looks as if there is a slight luster break on the obverse at 5, put with PL pictures, that mark could be misleading.

I can't explain why the 80-S got the grade it did. Who graded it: NGC or PCGS? Not saying that has any difference as I've seen improperly graded coins in both holders. I'm just curious.

 

I'm curious as well. That 66 is no 66 in my eyes, but I've been wrong before.

 

I don't know how that '80-S got a '66. There's just to much distracting chatter on the face...........

 

I'm not trying to be critical of your coins. I collect this series and spend a lot of time viewing photos on eBay, Heritage, Stacks, Legend Morphy, David Lawrence, NE Numismatics and any other place I can view coins. I own many 65's, 66's and a couple 67's. I have DPL's as well as some PL's. I'm just starting to get comfortable with purchasing toned Morgan's solely from photos. I do not consider myself an expert either.

I have seen many coins in holders that I just pass on because I don't agree with the grade. You should be very happy with the 1900-O. That's a really nice MS64 and the fields look to be semi-PL as well. I just don't agree with the MS66. The biggest mis-graded Morgan are the ones in GSA Holders. I don't know the thinking behind and I really like NGC's grading of Morgans. They're not perfect by any stretch, but I think they do a better job on DPL and PL designations in this series vs. PCGS. I own Morgans in both holders though, because I like to think I buy the coin, not the holder.

I'll be curious to hear your thoughts.

 

I'm surprised it's not in a DETAILS or IMPROPERLY CLEANED slab.

 

That 1880-S ... MS66? ... I don't think so. That's a real head scratcher. One of the easiest dates to find in true gem unc, I wouldn't touch that particular coin at even MS64 money.

 

In my opinion the 1900-O is beautiful and I would be proud to have it in my collection. It seems high end for the grade at 64 and on any given Sunday could make it in 65 holder.

As for the 1880-S, I have no clue what they were thinking.......

 

Did you submit that or buy it already slabbed?

 

Those are not hairlines.


OP,

If you own the 80-S and it's CAC certified, contact them and express your concerns.

 

Die polish marks..........