Daniel Carr

What is your opinion?

 

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I don't know what they are, so I put don't know. If they are copies of real coins, without the word copy, it would be counterfeit to me. If they are made up dates and MM, they are fantasy. You now have my opinion accounted for as don't know.

 

It wouldn't hurt to be a little more descriptive, OP...

-Brian

 

They are fantasy pieces...a counterfeit is the creation of a fake example of an existing coin to be used in place of the real coin. Daniel Carr does not reproduce existing coins...only coins that were never produced. If there is no original, a counterfeit cannot exist. Therefore, they are not counterfeits.

 

How about some links for others to access his work and read about them, see them and get to understand them better... as I'm sure not everyone has read the MANY MANY threads where this had been hotly debate in the past.

DC-Coin/ Moonlight Mint

Also remember that ANACS certifies all Moonlight Mint coins and tokens designed by Daniel Carr

Daniel Carr was also the designer of circulating US Coins in the State quarters program (NY & RI) as well he has been a finalist in the design of $1 coins. You can see concepts of those here as well.

His own work has also been the victim of fakes attempting to profit off the success of his designs.

He is also a member of this forum and may chime in since you are talking about his legitimate business.

 

Based on the OPs comments elsewhere, he seems to intend to 'hurt' more than describe by opening this thread.

 

Some of you may also like to listen to Daniel Carr's interview on the Coin Show Episode 14, by Mike, Matt and Carlton (all CoinTalk members.)

 

I have never made a comment either for or against Mr. Carr other than to say I feel he is walking a fine line.
Please get your facts straight.

 

And a heck of a nice guy I might add. I sent him an email (from his website) with technical questions about die materials and manufacturing... his response was concise and informative. He could have blown me off, but didn't. Personally, I believe anyone who considers his coins counterfeit just doesn't have a clue to the meaning of the word.

 

The 'facts' are straight, as they follow from your "liking" of post #20 in the thread Eisenhower question, which supports another forum member who carelessly tossed around the notion that DC is a counterfeiter. Your posts from that thread led straight to the formation of this thread. Your stance, opinion, or whatever you like to call them as you comment on this 'fine line' is quite transparent, however the poll you've started here, thus far, is shown tipped heavily to fantasy not counterfeit.

 

They are fantasy pieces as Daniel says on his website. Just as a heads up I recently ordered the 1931 Standing Liberty Quarter off his website. I have never lost money buying his coins and in some cases have doubled my money on his work by re-selling. I bet he comes on here once he sees his name, we'll see. I wish he would make another Mexican tribute coin, maybe he can make a Canadian dollar too and complete the "Amero" theory.

http://www.dc-coin.com/fantasyover-struckusacoins.aspx

 

Welcome to my "ignore" list, Krispy. You seldom have anything worth reading and I have grown weary of your illogical personal attacks.
Have a nice life.

 

And to think, I just... just, took you off my ignore list so we could talk. Now you go and put your head in the sand.

Furthermore, they are not illogical nor attacks, that is just your stubborn read on my comments ever since I asked you once to post a picture of a note you wanted to share, but abruptly refused and have ever since been a thorn in my side when I try to explain or post anywhere on this wider forum. This stems from your own closed mindedness, far be it from your self entitled perspicaciousness.

 

What was it, about a year and a half ago that we had a big brouhaha over the 2009 proof ASE's absence from production and Daniels fantasy coin created to fill the void......and add to the controversy. Back then I was totally against the concept of a fantasy coin rounding out the series. I also thought it was wrong to mint such a coin but I've since changed my position. If the coin never was, then, 'it never was'. To say it is counterfeit is wrong. It's all pure fantasy......the real deal doesn't exist and in order to have a counterfeit you need the real deal to counterfeit it from.

There are those who will say that a fantasy piece could be easily passed in everyday commerce and one of Daniels pieces could easily fool the public. True, they are extraordinary pieces, but their production is not intended to deceive but rather to enhance.....in short, they are made for collectors. Now I ask you, would you be silly enough to try and buy a cup of coffe with a fantasy piece? You'd need your head examined. The value of the piece greatly exceeds any face value portrayed on the coin. Oh, what was that you said? They could be sold on Ebay as genuine and rare one of a kind pieces fetching moon money from unsuspecting (uneducated) collectors? Perhaps, but it's up to the collector to do his due diligence.

 

Of course only the principles know the reason. My opinion ( mine) is that it was fully for financial reasons. If it was for the "Art" of fantasy coins, why not make an obvious artistic "difference" on the coin rather than use the same mint design? He is very much an artist and die sinker that it would be of little effort. Would they sell as strongly ? Most likely not. But it is not our place to say counterfeit, that is the US government's place, so as long as they stay mute on the point, it is accepted.

Green?? Shall we now tell every poster with a sob story about a bad buy on ebay, that they should have done due diligence and to be quiet and move on? Maybe that would be the most truthful, but that is not you, nor most on the forum.

Jim


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The only ones I've looked at were overstrikes on genuine coins. I have to consider those fantasy coins, rather than counterfeits. No different IMO than Hobo Nickels or counterstamping coins.

 

Carr's "overstrikes" are but a small portion of his product line. Have you seen his Amero's, concept and pattern coins? Many, many unique and beautiful designs; and, like the overstrikes, mostly "sold out". I believe the original designs sell just as well... but maybe the overstrikes demand more in the aftermarket.

 

Of course it's for financial reasons. He saw the void and capitalized on it like a good businessman would. I wonder, when he first created the '09 proof, if he foresaw all the controversy surrounding it.

Perhaps I wasn't clear with my Point Jim. I've seen it argued that fantasy pieces could be sold, far down the road, as original and genuine mint products, for astronomical prices. My feeling is that anyone making such a purchase should at least verify the authenticity of such a piece before entertaining any prospect of purchase.

 

Then I will apologize to you Green as I thought you meant the new collectors, not someone buying as a speculation.

However, even though it doesn't apply to you, I still feel that there are many new collectors who finds a 1964-D Peace fantasy coin is going to find on the internet that over 300,000 were minted in 1965 ( Dated 1964) and that Breen quotes rumors that mint employees were able to buy 2 of such each, but none were turned in when they were destroyed. Thus another long thread on why theirs is real, blah, blah....Sorry, I don't care for them, but I also don't care for early released MS-70 Bullion coins.

 

LOL......dat the 'curmudgeon' showin' Jim? I hear ya. Endless threads of wailing newbs claiming that their find in the little black box that grandma had up in the attic, that was handed down from three generations previous (so it has to be real), arguing that what they have is indeed genuine.......and then, all of a sudden, the thread heading south. Mods having to step in and police the area. Warnings and demerits handed out.....I don't envy you my friend.