Accented Hair Kennedy found in the wild.....Cameo even....Thoughts?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Ethan, Mar 31, 2014.

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Post your guess on grade and Cameo...thanks!

Poll closed Apr 30, 2014.
  1. PR64CAM

    40.0%
  2. PR65CAM

    20.0%
  3. PR66CAM

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. PR67CAM

    20.0%
  5. PR68CAM

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. PR69CAM

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Wait, this could be a DCAM???

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. This is not a Cameo at all!

    20.0%
  1. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Hello everyone!

    I am Ethan and although I have visited in the past, I just signed up and got approved for membership.

    I thought I would show what I found this last weekend. I have been collecting Kennedy's since I was 12 or so. I only collected the Silver ones back then but I had to stop when I got a family and had to pay for college and stuff. So its 17 years later and the wife and I re-start searching halves from the bank. Two years now and we have found a few. We had one of our best nights recently so that has got her into the hobby. Up until this weekend she had found the best coin in the wild, a 1973 Rotated Reverse Kennedy in EF/AU. It is awesome.

    We I have been on a Cameo search for a few months and managed to buy a few 64 unopened proof sets along with a few others that were already opened. This would include the SMS sets also.

    Anyhow I had pulled the best possible choices for Cameo's out and was sorting through the rest looking for DDO's and such. I had found one DDO so I was happy. When I got to the best 4 Cameo candidates I started checking them and then I noticed the "I". You see I have 2 AH Kennedy's that I purchased so I knew what they looked like. I immediately check all the markers and low and behold I had one that I was pretty sure was Cameo. Was I a happy camper. So then I started looking at it for a grade and came up with a PR66/67. So I posted some pics on another forum I frequent and the results of a poll were about 70% Cam and the grade average was around PR66/67 also. I think I have taken the title of best wild coin found from her. Granted hers was from a bank roll and mine from an unopened proof set. I think I finally have something that might be worth slabbing.


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    I am very bad at getting good pictures but the mirror is just as good on any slabbed Cameo Kennedy I have.....I am happy and it just goes to show that these Gems are still out there.

    I saw that I could do a poll here as well and thought why not? See what the results are.


    Please tell me what you think and guess at the grade.

    This will make three forums I frequent when given the time and I think I will enjoy it a lot.


    Thanks

    Ethan
     
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  3. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    Just looks like regular Kennedy to me. However I'm not capable of seeing varieties like that. I can never be an error collector, I just cant see what others see.
     
  4. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I'm honestly not convinced it is an accented hair either. But, it's hard to tell with the photos too...they aren't bad pics, but the diagnostics don't appear that strong in the photos.
     
  5. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Here is a great link to see an Accented Hair Kennedy and a little history. Look there and then at the pictures. This is one 100%.....

    http://www.ipotad.com/pages/ah2.html


    Here are pics of this coin with AH markers...

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  6. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    OK...with the zoomed in photos I tend to agree. It looks to be an accented hair. Nice find.
     
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  7. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Yeah.....now I just need to verify Cam and grade.......

    Added my Avatar...that is a 64 DCAM quarter I got out of a set. It is a stunner and looks much better than the 76S Silver Proof I have. I wish I could find a half like that from 64-67.
     
  8. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    It's so hard to grade proofs with photos...especially for me. The reverse looks cameo but I'm not sold on the obverse. I see a little hazing and spotting on the coin. I'm going to say PF67 no cameo.
     
  9. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    If you say PR67, then I am very happy. As I have said I can not take pictures very well. I am pretty sure I can not post links to another forum, and I do not want to add 15 more here. Let me say this, the Obverse is the most Cameo, the reverse was the question to me. Hazing and spotting is partly the camera I think. It makes it look like a dust ball on he coin. Let me try some other pics..ignore the cat hair...the wife will not let me feed them to the Lab. As I was saying, the reverse is what was questionable to me as they are the hardest to tell, especially on the 71S.
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  10. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Nice find Ethan. The first two photos I would lean towards a Cam designation, although the reverse is weaker than the obverse. I would say no on the last 3 photos, so without better pictures or seeing it in hand, I'm just guessing.

    Looks like lots of spotting in the fields as well. That's common, I know.
     
  11. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    I just can not seem to grab the mirrors etc with my Camera. I use Macro mode etc but the colors just do not come out. I even tried 'manipulating' the picture in a program to no avail. Oh well, it is still one heck of a find and even if only PR64 as two votes here say, I am still happy. I just look at it and see slabbed coins in PR63/65/66/67 and I see it as a little higher in the 66+ range....I will try to dissect it a bit more later.
     
  12. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    Ill say PR65
     
  13. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    I will add some I took with my cell phone camera. Let me know if these are better or worse than the originals. Thanks.
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  14. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Still a nice coin. The reverse should just make cameo. The spot by the "H" in Half is a bummer.
     
  15. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Well I watched a video on grading proofs....not sure about links but the should be seen. I would like to go to the 4 hours version someday. " PCGS Webinar - Coin Grading 102: Qualifiers, Proof Coins, Mo...."
    After seeing this and looking, a PR67 is less likely. As was said pictures are so hard to show but looking, and the spots, I think PR66 is 49% and PR65 51%. I tried the paper tube deal and I am not sure it is better. I made it my avatar though so that was a win. The place that I got these, I ordered 7 more and they said shipped. I got an email today that said they were out of stock and they refunded my monies. I am a little pissed about that....I think B.S. but its a reputable dealer so maybe that did happen, website error and all. I will post the new pictures just in case someone can spot any differences.
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  16. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Cameras are a mere tool, and as with any tool, offer results based on the capability of the man using them. This, of course, is not meant as an insult, but only a friendly suggestion. Taking the time to learn the limits of your camera, working within them, and refining your technique can make all the difference.
     
  17. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Oh I take no offense at all. I know I suck at it. The main problem with my camera is it is only auto focus. I have tried and to be honest I have got much better doing it but it is not the right camera and yes the issue is with me mostly.
     
  18. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I didn't intend to be rude, my friend, so please do not take it as such. Your photos are not that bad, and perhaps I should have said more, but my point was only that even with inexpensive modern cameras, decent coin imaging is possible. If you wish to do so, take some time to search here and other coin forums for threads on photographing coins. Also, below is a link that may be of interest.

    http://coinimaging.com/photography.html
     
  19. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    Non taken for sure and thanks for the link. I really am torn as to buy camera equipment or more coins...coins are winning right now.

    BTW - A guy I have bought CAMEO SMS coins from and he can spot them, looked at my pictures and his thoughts were such, the reverse could be DCAM and the obverse is CAM. Funny as when I look at the coin the Obverse is much much better than the reverse. I am convinced it is CAM at least, now I have to work on the grade to see if this is the coin worth sending in for my first submitted slab. Right now I am just happy to own it and have purchased a much better holder for it..
     
  20. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    I got some updated pictures of this half with a different camera.

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    I am hoping it gets PR67, I think that is a stretch but who knows? Most likely a PR66, but if one thinks PR65 or less please explain why. If the pictures are still not good enough, then hopefully when I buy my own camera for coins, I can get better at the pictures,
     
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