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    is there multiple DDO for the 1916/16 Buffalo nickel

    So I have heard there are more than one major DDO for the 1916/16 buffalo nickel
    Does anyone have a link to the other varities?
    Or photos?
    I found one a year ago that fits the 16/16.

    I am sure there should be other ones as well, if so iI am itnerested in completing a set of the 1916/16 DDO varities...

    Any info would be appreciated.
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    not to my knowledge, and that I have ever read.


    But, I am sure that Doug will correct me! [LOL]

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    There is only 1 known variety for the 16/16 DDO.

    But - there have been quite a few cases of '16 Buffs with mechanical doubling that were passed off as having the DDO. So be careful.

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    ....i'm a big fan of pictures.

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    Okay
    Well I am using http://grading-guide.com/variety_buffalo.html
    for refernce to the double die.
    Now the one I found last year matches up perfectly.
    The one I have now was cleaned at some point with something acidic. It raised all the numbers but makes it harder to identify if its a double die.
    The 9 matches up, there is a chunk in the loop of the 9 and another below the loop at the upper part of stem.
    there are the connecting pieces between the 9 and the 1, the 1 and the 6
    So far so good.
    Now the problem is the 6 has some mechanical doubling, at the same time it has what I am presuming to be a doublie die (The mechanical is white and doesnt have much definiton, the part I am considering to be the double die area, is sharp, its raised like if its aprt of the die but parts of it are missing)
    So the issue is I can see what I believe to be doubling of the 6 within the 6 itself. However the only difference is mine isnt shifted to the nrth west as much as the other, its shifted to the west the same but not to the north. Could this be due to mechanical doubling?
    I need to get a macro setup to help me out.

    From the way the mechanical doubling is it seems the strike slipped south.
    Could this explain why its position is off?
    Someone save me from my wandering mind...
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    Post a pic or scan of your coin, this one is easy to see with the naked eye. So if it is a DDO, we'll be able to see it.

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    ....ditto the dougster.

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    local Coin Shop Said its not the 1916/16. They said its not consistent and without the outer loop it doesnt match up. Also the underlying 6 appears to be a cursive 6.
    However they are going through all my 1916 Buffs that I have and theyre going to see if I got any DDO.
    Ill post back within an hour or two when I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDJMSP View Post
    There is only 1 known variety for the 16/16 DDO.

    But - there have been quite a few cases of '16 Buffs with mechanical doubling that were passed off as having the DDO. So be careful.

    Mechanical doubling? I will have to look into this and how it differs from the obvious doubling of 1916 or well known 1955 Lincoln.

    New to coins, new to board, but I guess my main question would be doubling on date vs lettering around the coin-in this case "LIBERTY" on the obverse of the 1916 Buff.

    Reading a article in Coin World, I noticed the price this coin can bring. Selling a collection for a friend with property tax on 3 homes and out of work, it would be a nice bonus.
    I knew I had this coin. Of course,I wanted to locate and take a close look.
    It seemed there was some doubling on the date OR perhaps it 'appeared' after too long of look. (a common syndrome I would think)

    Looking later at a photo I noticed the obvious, strong doubling on the word "LIBERTY". Searching the net I see this does NOT exist on the 1916/16. and took me to this post.

    I will post pic Monday and only wish the owner of this collection would have read this board~over 150 coins, nearly all polished/heavily scratched.(I pictured gramps in his old age, a monthly routine of keeping all his coins shiny) Tough news for someone who received over the phone quote of collection

    Cheers,
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    this site should help you AHS


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    Thanks Grizz, I recall the term "poor mans double die" and this is what I suspected. I did do some searching and found similar site.

    I also should have started my own thread, this is why I did not post picture ect. Being new to coins my head goes fuzzy when I 'what if' on such a potential high value coin.

    Is there much of a premium on this type?? Ebay is only place I noticed and you can imagine the song & dance.

    Sorry for the hijack, but did think other readers may be interested in worth/cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHS View Post

    Is there much of a premium on this type?? Ebay is only place I noticed and you can imagine the song & dance.

    Sorry for the hijack, but did think other readers may be interested in worth/cost.
    Let's put it this way - a 1916 Buff graded MS65by NGC or PCGS currently sells for around $275-$300.

    The last 1916 DDO Buff that I can find on Heritage was graded AU58 and it sold for $46,000.

    Does that answer your question about the premium ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDJMSP View Post
    Let's put it this way - a 1916 Buff graded MS65by NGC or PCGS currently sells for around $275-$300.

    The last 1916 DDO Buff that I can find on Heritage was graded AU58 and it sold for $46,000.

    Does that answer your question about the premium ?
    Doug I think the type he's asking about is mechanical/machine doubling and not the true doubled die. That's the way I understood it anyway.

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    You could be right Ben, never looked at it that way.

    But to answer the question - no, there is no premium on those with mechanical doubling. In fact some may even see mechanical doubling as a detraction, I know I do.

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    This is GREAT! It is far better than many other sites which attempt to do the same thing, but left me confused.

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