Question on a 1969s cent

conder 101- Great explaining that in terms that a novice like myself can understand. Thank you.
Great cud collect89!

 

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The first coin without a doubt,Machine doubling,The second coin is a great cud.
JIM

 

That's one of the largest cuds I've seen. Does anybody have a picture of a larger one? I'm sure they exist.

 

Great explanation...

 

After researching and looking on the forum and on line, I think this is the best and easiest to understand explnation of doubled die. Although I have read the meaning numerous times, it just did not sink in with me until I read yours. Being new to the coin world, it is a lot to take in and comprehend. Thanks for bringing it down to stupid level for me to understand.
One more thing, could you do the same thing for machine doubling so I can completely understand the differance.
Thanks again

 

"One more thing, could you do the same thing for machine doubling so I can completely understand the differance."


Well I will give it a shot, why not!

Machine/strike/mechanical doubling happens when dies and/or presses distort the images on a coin during the moment of strike, seconds before or seconds after.
All it really is is a continuation of the coins original design elements.
Whether it be a shadow, doubled letters, numbers or other design features it is just a doubling of the SAME image.
All machine doubled coins have a scooting, pushing or pulling (think stretching) of the coins original image. Unlike true doubled dies there is no extra, (new and seperate) design element seen because it's not there. It's the same number, letter or other element just continued by this scooting effect.
When dies deteriorate there is mechanical doubling because the elements have been overpolished or are worn out. Remember the die is negative, (encuse) image of the coin. When they take a die and polish it or it becomes very worn the top portions of the dies image start to "round" out. Being rounded out (instead of crisp and verticle) the finsished image on the struck coin will begin to be/appear spread with extra images to the lettering, date or devices, ie: doubled!
There is many other types of mechnical type doubling but the key is, "is it a contiuation of the coins original design elements or is it truly something extra hubbed into the die to begin with"?

 

Thanks again for the lesson. I never could understand the differance until now.
People have shown examples of the two and I guess you have to train your eye to see the "push" or "lip" on machine doubling. I now know that true doubled die coins have a true seperation not just a "pushed" look. I just cant see it very well. I guess it just takes time and a trained eye.

 

The way you do it is learn to really turn the coin. You got to look at the coin from side to side, rim to rim, across the surface in every direction.
You have got to turn the coin away from you slightly to gather the light into the coin. Never wear any kind of ball cap with a bill. Bringing the light into the coin then looking across it as you would look at the top of you car top flat across. Many people put there head down automatically when louping a coin blocking out the light, don't lower you head raise the coin and pull all light you can into it.
When looking at the particular lettering or date to determine which it is look to see if it's the metal that have been doubled or an extra element from the die. It always boils down to is it a contiuaton of the original images or is something exrta there.

 

I cant wait to get my magnifying glass and my first rolls to start searching. You have really reduced this explanation down to rediculous and sometimes that is what I need to understand. Thank you again for explaining it. I really feel I can now talk with people and sound half way educated when discussing doubled die and machine doubled.
This forum has been great so far and everyone on it has been so helpfull. I thank everyone again and especially bhp3rd for these two great explanations.

 

hi , my name is john w. i am very/very new at this coin collecting endeaver but ive got the 'fever'. today i came across both 1969 s and 1969 d . all i have is an old telescope glass. if i post real close up photos could anyone take a shot to correctely identify ?? the s penny's letters are thicker like maybee more smashed?

 

hi , my name is john w. i am very/very new at this coin collecting endeaver but ive got the 'fever'. today i came across both 1969 s and 1969 d . all i have is an old telescope glass. if i post real close up photos could anyone take a shot to correctely identify ?? the s penny's letters are thicker like maybee more smashed?