Is this unusual?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Zzyzzyth, Feb 14, 2010.

  1. Zzyzzyth

    Zzyzzyth Junior Member

    I've been looking through a roll of 60D small date Lincolns and I found around 40 that have what appears to be a light die clash through STATES on the reverse. Of these:

    4 of them have the clash, with a normal LIBERTY on the obverse
    25'ish have the clash, with a die chip between the legs of the R in LIBERTY
    5 of them have the clash, the R chip and a fang like gouge in the D of UNITED on the reverse
    and 7 or 8 have the R chip, and no clash

    Scattered through all of these are coins with what appears to be polishing and some without.
     
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  3. Zzyzzyth

    Zzyzzyth Junior Member

    Here' a few pics

    I'm not so sure if it's a die clash now, although there is an impression of the vest through STATES on all the coins, it seems to rotate from just inside the T, to in between the T and E, then in the E. The second pic is one with the vest impression in between the T and E. In the 3rd pic, it is in the E, but hard to see here.
     

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  4. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    I never look so closely at coins, so I'm certainly not the professional on varieties, but I'm going to call it a minor die break.
     
  5. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    If the op is correct, and I believe that he is, that is definitely a die clash. When Desertgem shows up, he should be able to answer how common it is.
     
  6. Zzyzzyth

    Zzyzzyth Junior Member

    What I think is strange is that so many coins in one roll seem related with so many different errors. It seems like clash/no chip, then clash & chip, then clash, chip and gouge. But the clash seems to rotate across STATES.
     
  7. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Yep looks like a minor die break to me as well!!
     
  8. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    In 1960-D small or large date you are likely to find the kitchen sink

    In 1960-D small or large date you are likely to find the kitchen sink in there. There is so many errors and varieties in these it is plusable the entire staff was drunk or blind - there is more RPM's, die polishing errors, clashed dies, design changes than any other Lincoln year bare none - it was unreal what they produced.
     
  9. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Bump for desertgem comments.
     
  10. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Ben is correct in that the 1960D sm dates are a real mixture. I do not recall ever seeing that particular group of markings on the 1000 or so I have gone through. I would also assume it is a die clash, but in this roll, I would be somewhat surprised at the variation in markers (40/50)? I have seen a lot of gouges, broken bits of letters from deterioration and many many polish lines, but can't recall seeing this one.

    Jim
     
  11. Zzyzzyth

    Zzyzzyth Junior Member

    What would make the die clash appear to rotate like that? Or is it totally unrelated and coincidental?
     
  12. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    You lost me. Rotate like what where?
     
  13. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Good question.
     
  14. Zzyzzyth

    Zzyzzyth Junior Member

    In the 2nd picture, you can see the vest impression in between the T and E. On some of the coins, the vest impression is closer to the T, almost covered by it. On the last pic, although you can't see it, the vest impression is inside the upper crossbars of the E.

    Doesn't make sense for a die clash, wouldn't that stay in the same spot on the die until worn away? And, what could cause the vest impression to show on the reverse if it is not a die clash?
     
  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I did not catch that those were 2 (3?) different coins before. When you say rotate, you ate assuming that your coins all came from one die. Why? From what I am being told, you probably had at least 4 and probably more dies. You are correct. The clash will be there for a while.
     
  16. Zzyzzyth

    Zzyzzyth Junior Member

    That's interesting. I'll check them out again when I get home and see if I can determine the number of dies involved. Just seems strange that 3 different, but similar, die clashes, most with the similar chip on the obv, then yet another version with the gouge.
     
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