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Page 1 of 2 1 2 >   LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 11-03-2009, 03:16 PM   #1 (permalink) mycohopper Junior Member     Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11 1877 Indian Head Fake? Greetings, all. I was wondering if I could get your opinions on this 1877 IHC that I've been holding on to. It came from my grandfather's estate and it was surprisingly found in a bag full of IHC and wheat pennies. Such a rare piece not to be graded or kept separately. While examining this coin, I noticed that the 2nd "7" of "1877" is a little lower than the other numbers. Just need to know if I should spare the excitement over a false alarm. Any and all info would be much appreciated.   11-03-2009, 03:19 PM   #2 (permalink) mikenoodle Village Idiot     Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,494 My Mood: fake. The date has been altered. typically with this date, you would want to verify it by looking at the reverse diagnostics, and the diagnostic is the Ns in One and Cent being weak. These are strong. Although some proof examples have complete Ns, this coin is not a proof. The worst part is that even in this picture it is obvious that this coin has an altered date so it's value as a coin is less than that of a common date IHC. __________________ Begin somewhere. You can not build a reputation on what you intend to do. - Liz Smith - Gossip Columnist Last edited by mikenoodle; 11-03-2009 at 03:26 PM.   11-03-2009, 03:24 PM   #3 (permalink) LostDutchman exsisto magister     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,166 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 I agree as well. The date has been altered. It looks like both 7's were changed from something else. __________________ Matt Dinger Lost Dutchman Rare Coins   11-03-2009, 09:32 PM   #4 (permalink) mark_h Numismatist     Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,186 Quote: Originally Posted by mikenoodle fake. The date has been altered. typically with this date, you would want to verify it by looking at the reverse diagnostics, and the diagnostic is the Ns in One and Cent being weak. These are strong. Although some proof examples have complete Ns, this coin is not a proof. The worst part is that even in this picture it is obvious that this coin has an altered date so it's value as a coin is less than that of a common date IHC. Welcome to the forum! Mike is correct please do not forget that proof 1877 IHC's have the strong N and not the shallow N. Just keep it in mind and if in doubt post here for assistance. Check some of them out on heritage. __________________ the other mark Best Baan Community Empty airtite seeks unwanted coins. All sizes welcome.   11-03-2009, 03:41 PM   #5 (permalink) desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor     Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,492 My Mood: Welcome mycohopper to the forum! I am assuming that there was once a photo attached unless Matt and Mike have become paranormal. If you could leave the photo up, it would solicit more comments ( not that they are wrong, I suspect the same), but it might serve as an educational moment for others. Again welcome! Jim   11-03-2009, 03:42 PM   #6 (permalink) desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor     Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,492 My Mood: Ok, after I posted that the photo creeps into view?????? Thanks for the service. Jim   11-03-2009, 03:51 PM   #7 (permalink) mycohopper Junior Member     Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks for the evaluation, everyone. Little bummed out that it's a fake but I have to admit that it still looks appealing. Oh well, back to sorting through the collection. I might post up a couple more coins that I'm curious about. We'll see how it goes.   11-03-2009, 04:22 PM   #8 (permalink) CamaroDMD Dental Student     Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,374 My Mood: Yeah, that date looks altered to me. Sorry. __________________ The Truth About "O" Mint Morgan Dollars   11-03-2009, 04:49 PM   #9 (permalink) Treashunt The Other Frank     Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New York Posts: 16,663 nice fake! Value: a few dollars. On eBay? Priceless. __________________ The Other Frank "Buy The Book Before The Coin!" http://www.whitmanbooks.com/Default....wUpcoming_1208   11-03-2009, 05:15 PM   #10 (permalink) GoldenFire Junior Member     Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 76 Quote: Originally Posted by Treashunt Value: a few dollars. On eBay? Priceless. Oh that’s just mean. Poor misinformed Ebay buyers. __________________ You’re supposed to leave the world a better place than it was when you entered it.   11-03-2009, 05:41 PM   #11 (permalink) Leadfoot Numismatist     Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,617 My Mood: Easy to spot fake if you know the N in ONE is "shallow" on the reverse of all 1877s.   11-03-2009, 10:44 PM   #12 (permalink) CamaroDMD Dental Student     Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,374 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by Leadfoot Easy to spot fake if you know the N in ONE is "shallow" on the reverse of all 1877s. I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you say "shallow." I see the picture you posted...but the shallowness isn't jumping out to me. __________________ The Truth About "O" Mint Morgan Dollars   11-03-2009, 05:42 PM   #13 (permalink) Leadfoot Numismatist     Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,617 My Mood: A real reverse will look like this:   11-03-2009, 06:56 PM   #14 (permalink) mycohopper Junior Member     Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11 Okay, I see now. Thanks for the picture, Leadfoot. What about the obverse? Other than the date, is there anything else that would throw up a red flag? Learning about these fake "weak points" is almost as fun as learning about the authentic pieces At least I'll know what to stay away from.   11-03-2009, 07:15 PM   #15 (permalink) Just Carl Numismatist   Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,472 Although the reverse is somewhat of a give on it being a fake, I still wonder about that date. The last 7 from the photo appears to be over something. Almos like someone added a 7 over a 7 which doesn't make CENTS either. Sure wonder what would happen if you sent it to one of those really off brand TPGS's. Would be funny to see that one in a slab.   Page 1 of 2 1 2 > Bookmarks Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Would you like to support CoinTalk? Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. Keep it clean, like a 1950s family television show. 3. 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