Here's a coin I got awhile back, I mean within the last year as I have not been collecting all that long. I am using the sellers pics as I haven't figured out how to take pics of coins on my own yet. Anyways, can I get an opinion on what you think this coin would grade as? much appreciate it :thumb:
Sorry about that, I don't know what happened to the obverse pic but here is my second and last try. thank you
Well thx for giving a guesstimate. I also notice that there seems to be a crack on one side of the coin and being new to this does that detract from the overall value?
Too bad the obv. images are too small on my screen. The reverse seems to have very peculiar, irregular surfaces along with some pimples, and the dentils look very uneven. I am concerned about it being authentic, with the caveat that I'm just looking at a single image, and somewhat bleary eyed late at night.
Neither picture is good enough for me to make any accurate statements about this coin (I looked in your album) but both pictures are too blurry and are a bit on the small side. The coin's field appear rough in the pictures however. This could be a sign of casting which would mean it is a counterfeit, or it could be a sign of cleaning...or it could just be the picture. I really can't tell. We need clearer photos.
Yes, my feelings exactly as the coin has had a very harsh cleaning. I looked at the reverse and I don't know, the pic shows the coin as having swirls but the coin in hand looks different than the pic. To me the reeds and the denticles all seem alright but I only been collecting for a short time so I could be barking up the wrong tree. I will have to take it to a pro to get an onsite opinion. Thx much, oh and if anyone else wants to comment, feel free. I found this verbiage on a site about finding fakes: COUNTERFEIT SEATED LIBERTY DOLLARS AND TRADE DOLLARS ARE OFTEN SCRATCHED IN ORDER TO FOOL YOU INTO THINKING THAT THE COIN WAS JUST IMPROPERLY CLEANED! Not good!!!
This is true, however...this is a quarter not a dollar. 1875 quarters are not rare and thus not going to be as heavily counterfeited as dollars. But, they still are counterfeited. Better pictures are needed. IMHO, it's more likely to be a harsh cleaning...but it could be a counterfeit.
Check out where I'm at on this issue. As I looked with different loupes/magnifying glasses it looked more and more like a casted coin rather than a minted coin. I weighed it and the weight its supposed to be is 6.3 grams, it weighs in at only 6.0 grams. I also tried to weigh it in grains and it weighs only 92 grains and the listed amount should be 96.5. (see below) It didn't stick to a magnet but that don't mean diddley anymore. Since it has been a long time since June 6, 09. I could be SOL but I wrote to the seller anyways as you never know. Sometimes sellers on ebay do everything they can and are standup ppl, I will find out more later. It seems a bit ironic as there was a thread a while back and I was saying then that the only counterfeits are Trade Dollars and Morgans. Livin' and learnin' every day on this forum. 1875 QUARTER DOLLAR PCGS Nos: 5498, 5576, 85576, 95576 Mintage: Circulation strikes: 4,292,800 Proofs: 700 Designer: Obverse by Thomas Sully, modified by Christian Gobrecht and Robert Ball Hughes, executed by James Barton Longacre; Reverse by Christian Gobrecht, modified by James Barton Longacre Diameter: 24.3 millimeters Metal Content: Silver - 90% Copper - 10% Weight: 96.5 grains (6.3 grams) Edge: Reeded Mintmark: None (for Philadelphia, PA) below the eagle on the reverse
I'm afraid I agree with GDJMSP (looks like a cast counterfeit to my eye), but I must also entertain the possibility that it was once corroded and has since been cleaned causing the "odd" look.
I have to echo the cast counterfeit opinions here. Those surfaces are just too funky for me. I have seen a dozen or so counterfiet seated quarters in the past couple of years. Most of them look very similar to this piece.
Well I got a response from the seller and although he has doubts he is giving me the opportunity to send it back and he will send me a check. That's acceptable to me as I'm sure things will work out for all and that's very standup for him to handle it that way. I have my coin club meeting tomorrow so I may just take it out there as well. On the obverse of the coin it looks fine, I mean it looks totally real to me. The reverse is where the funny stuff is going on. If you look at my album or even the reverse above, right under the arrow tips almost and right above the OL of the QUAR. DOL there is a molten looking brick right there. You can see it really good under a magnifying glass. Also another area that looks casted is under the right wing of the eagle. Yup no doubt in my mind that this coin is fake. I will have it visually inspected by others as well but I really appreciate you guys calling it right. Thanks Ksparrow and all you others, I hope I don't have any other fakes but feel free to look at my album. :thumb:
I didn't want to start a new thread so I picked this one up from last time. As far as this 1875 Seated Liberty coin goes, I sent it back to the seller and he sent me back a check for what I paid for it, so that woked out well. On a separate note I thought I had another coin which may be fake. It's a Hawaiian Dime and I'll attach a pic. Anyways I tried alot of different things with it as far as weighing it and the magnate trick. The weight is supposed to be 2.5 grams or 39 grains. Mine weighed in at 2.5 grams but only 38 grains. Next I tried to drop it down on a granite countertop. It sounded alright by itself on the granite countertop and a wood desk or table. I wanted to test it against a real dime. I grabbed a Roosevelt 1947 and I dropped them down together. They didn't ring the same. Well I thought maybe a Barber dime would work better so I grabbed a 1914. Anyways I dropped them separately first and then again together. They sounded different than each other together. I then tried the 1947 dime and the Barber together. Their sound together was the same as each other. Dang it!! I thought my Hawaiian was bunk!! On some things I tried the Hawaiian sounded like silver, like on a wood table. When I tried it alone it was fine or at least sounded like a silver coin would sound. I thought for sure that it had failed the ching-a-ling test as the ring just wasn't right when dropped with other dimes. Anyways I took it to my favorite coin shop and they did a couple of things with it and even had a real one to compare it to. Turns out it's real!!! Yipee!! I'm happier than a pig in mud!! My bud at the coin store said that even though it sounded different than a pre-64 and the Barber dime I tried together, it had alot more wear and it still sounds like a silver coin all by itself. Another live and learn lesson for me...
Glad it turned out ok. I remember when I discovered some of my Trade Dollars were fake, I began to suspect the others as well and almost disposed of (destroyed) some genuine coins! Luckily I came to my senses after my paranoia cooled down.
