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I not sure if this is MD or DD, just thought I would post it...

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rockdude

It's 'plating split doubling'.

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foundinrolls

It is more plating shift doubling than plating split doubling:-)

Neither has any value.

Thanks,
Bill

rockdude

Haven't really heard of that term before but it makes sense.

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CrustyCoins

Sorry Bill, what is plate shift doubling?

Also I'm not sure what I'm looking at, looks like the D is doubled but I can't see much else.

rockdude

Looking at these raised areas east of date and mm;

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foundinrolls

"Plate shift doubling" pertains to the rippling effect that causes a "shadow" so to speak of doubling around the letters, numerals or other details on a coin.

"Plate split doubling" is the effect that we see on a coin when the sharp edges of a die actually break through the copper plating. Occasionally the zinc is exposed along the edge of the numerals or lettering or design details creating the appearance of doubling.

Two different things. I'll try to work on some pictures of the two although we have probably all seen both of these things at some point in time.

Thanks,
Bill

foundinrolls

This coin shows plate shift doubling on the date as well as plate split doubling on the mint mark. Keep in mind that both are clunkers:-)

CrustyCoins

Thx I think I am almost understanding. So the shift doubling is actually not a double hit but the metal around the hit shifting causing the shadow?

foundinrolls

Bingo! It's like a ripple.

Bill

micheldura2

Looks like something happened at the Denver Mint in 1994...

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foundinrolls

I could have chosen a different dateand mint mark combination. 1994 D had nothing particular to do with it.

The coin you posted is that one with the rot under the plating.

Thanks,
Bill

micheldura2

Bill,

I realize that it was coincidence that you chose the date combination...

I know how you feel about what you think is a rotten penny. You really don't see a 4? You are soooo sure..and you might be right, but the thought that you might not be right just doesn't sit well with you does it?

I sent it in for evaluation and waiting to hear back. I hope that this is something that no one can explain, and blows your whole theory that it would be impossible for that kind of error to happen,..Who knows??? Have a great day!!!

foundinrolls

It won't blow my theory as to the fact that it is damage of some sort and most likely rot under the plating.

As for not being right, not sitting well with me....That's unfair as you don't really know me.

Those that do know me can tell you that I've been a collector, numismatist and numismatic writer for a long time. They will also tell you that I am probably 98% to 99% accurate with my assessments of coins, especially of errors and die varieties, even using some of the horrible pictures seen in photos on forums. AND...When I am wrong, I am the first to admit it. (It doesn't happen often)

It is also safe to say that there are a few people on some of the forums that like to pick away at my posts as well as other well known numismatists that post on the various forums. I am not saying that you are one of those people but others here know who they are:-) That is also not a matter of being paranoid, it is a mere matter of fact.

The reason why I push an answer and seem to "have to get the last word" is because these forums are supposed to be a place for fun but equally as importantly a place for education to take place.

Here's why...Whether some want to admit it or not.....Some people come here for free expert advice so that they can list coins on eBay or sell them outright. That places me in an unusual situation. I can't stand garbage being placed on Ebay and seeing it sold to newer collectors who don't know what they are getting is deplorable. Perhaps half of the error and die varieties placed on eBay are junk coins being listed by people who don't know what they are looking at. The biggest rip-offs come from counterfeit coins being sold on eBay. The second biggest rip-offs are coins being sold that are worthless. Coins that are machine doubled are worthless yet they are being sold as valuable doubled dies every day. Collectors are getting burnt. That's what fries me. That's my motivation.

So, what do I do....If I didn't respond on these forums and if other experts didn't respond on these forums, the problem would multiply.

If people aren't informed by others who know what they are really looking at, more junk would be sold on auction forums or outright.

When someone posts a coin that has no chance of being what they think it is, it is my self imposed responsibility to be accurate and honest in an assessment of a coin so that the person who has the coin knows what he or she is looking at. It is my responsibility as a numismatist and even as an ANA (American Numismatic Association) member to educate others so that they can make informed choices. So when I respond on a forum, it hopefully is an educational tool for the many others to use in order to learn more about coins.

There are folks here on this forum that know that when they identify a coin correctly or make a new discovery, that I applaud that and back up there identification.

I have the experience to do so and I will place my experience and knowledge in my areas of expertise up there with the others. What you may not realize is that like, Mike Diamond, Chuck Daughtery, James Wiles and others, people send me coins to look at for opinions as to their authenticity as errors or die varieties.

While I am not using my skills in that area to make money as others are (and there is nothing wrong in that) I try to provide the education for free.

Do a search for Found In Rolls or Ask About Coins and spend some time there. Read my columns in CoinWorld. You might get an idea that I know what I'm looking at with respect to coins.

Please understand that I am not trying to sound like a pompous putz but since you apparently don't know me that well, I am trying to give you an idea as to why I do, what I do. It's not about me....or being right or wrong....It's about education and helping a few people learn something about the minting process. Maybe that knowledge will help them save or make a few bucks, somewhere down the line.

I have literally looked at millions of coins. I examine coins on a daily basis, in huge numbers. There is almost nothing error or die variety related that I have not seen or written about. Looking at a coin like your 1994 D and telling what it is, or isn't is a walk in the park.

Anyway...Thanks for your time.

Bill

micheldura2

I appreciate you taking the time to tell me more about yourself,..and your background. I do respect the education you have and knowledge. I also enjoyed reading what you wrote earlier on single squeeze hubbing process. I collect because I like it. I have not sold one coin from my own collection. I have many others...that were given to me by my father that I have not shown here, as I am more interested right now in the newer coins. I will probably sell some of my coins one day, but only to buy something else in the coin world. I will research more on found in rolls...and read some more of your articles...I really want to know more about the process and how it works. Thank you for taking the time to write me...not many would have done that...and the education you try to teach will help a lot of people..and i can see why it would bother you to know that innocent people are being taken by others. So, I applaud you and your efforts..but I still say you're wrong....lol my new friend....