Storage and Preservation suggestions

Ardatirion · 07-03-2009, 09:46 PM

As you may know, I'm a "darkside" collector. In the past few months, I've gone even further, and have started collecting ancient tokens. Many of these were struck in lead, a metal that is remarkably fickle. I just today received a lot of five lead tokens/seal impressions. Time has not treated them kindly. They're already taken on the dusty white look of rotting lead. Can anyone think of any way I can preserve these pieces? Any ideas for protecting the other lead tokens I own from meeting such a fate?

covert coins · 07-03-2009, 09:52 PM

Not for lead... Have read nothing about perserving it.. Hope you find an answer best of luck.

desertgem · 07-03-2009, 10:35 PM

Try this page
http://www.dt.navy.mil/cnsm/lead_08.html

Since these probably won't be submitted to TPGs, the physical removal won't be too
noticeable. The key after that is to keep it from reoccurring from acetic acid exposure.
I would suspect a museum wax or even something "oily" like coincare would help prevent that.

I have about 60lbs of lead came for stain glass from years ago hobby, and I have
always stored inside garage and watched it as lead products are bad stuff. When I
started ceramics later, lead containing glazes were still available....now there is some
bad stuff when baking in a kiln.

Jim

desertgem · 07-03-2009, 10:36 PM

Probably un-necessary to say, but a mask would be nice when removing it.

Jim

Ardatirion · 07-03-2009, 10:49 PM

Hmm. Sounds like decent advice with the vinegar bath. But I'm afraid electroplating is out of the question. There's precious little detail left on these as it is, no need to obscure it more.

desertgem · 07-03-2009, 10:56 PM

If I understand the chemistry of it, if one used acetic acid bath, it should be rinsed very well as acetic acid is what originally initated the problem.

It would be interesting to see them if you have a photo.
Jim

Ardatirion · 07-03-2009, 11:06 PM

The ones that aren't turning are in my gallery, here:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gal...php?album=2267

These are the sick ones

BadThad · 07-04-2009, 02:32 AM

Lead is very reactive. Any acid will remove the carbonate, however, you will likely lose detail on the coin. When I've worked on copper that bad, the details came off with the verdigris. I would try soaking them in some mineral oil for a bit, then see how they look with oil covering the surface. If it's OK, put them in airtite (oiled) and the corrosion should stop.

stainless · 07-04-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadThad

If it's OK, put them in airtite (oiled) and the corrosion should stop.

An oiled airtite? Why?

stainless

randygeki · 07-04-2009, 06:17 PM

see if you an find some lead to experiment with. maybe if your gentle with r-wax but you do have to buff it but yeah i think u can find oil speificaly for that, I think i saw some at amazon even.

maybe...... wd40

C_c

beachcombermike · 07-04-2009, 06:20 PM

please take care of your health, that white stuff is a deadly poison, don't lick your fingers after handling the lead. a light oil sounds like a reasonable idea, but if you can "google" the "U.K.D.N." (a uk detecting site) and ask on there as there are many lead objects dug up from antiquiry that need preservation, i feel sure they will tell you. i will try to ask the next time i log on to them. remember that "white stuff" is poison. mike.

Ardatirion · 07-04-2009, 06:49 PM

Thanks for the advice. If you could make the post at UKDN, I would appreciate it, not being a member myself. That white stuff just doesn't look healthy, even to a layman. The only time I've touched these, I held them in the palm of my hand and soon slipped them back into the envelope. I've been considering getting cotton gloves, not to protect the coins, but to protect myself!

beachcombermike · 07-05-2009, 01:33 AM

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could anyone help me please, i believe the "white stuff" on old lead is poisonous, is there any way to clean it off and still keep the writing etc. in a readable condition, i ask for a member of an american coin group member who has got some lead "tokens" or something like that and wishes to see what is on them, any help would be appreciated. mike.

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If they have any value, cleaning will decrease that value.
Brushing in soapy water with a soft nail brush may do it, although I would be
wary of cleaning at all.

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after wash i used naturnal shoe polish rub on lead to stop white powder look good