xtrmbrdr

While I'm certainly no expert on toned coins, sometimes I see things that blow my mind. I've looked at a lot of AT coins on eBay and feel like I'm getting better at spotting AT coins. So when I saw this one, I instantly thought AT, mostly because of the recent date, this coin seems to have more toning than coins 100+ years older. The colors don't seem way off, but they also don't seem to be perfect either.



I don't want to fool anyone, this is a graded coin, by PCGS!

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.a...=2714&lot=2592

So? What is artificial toning and what is not? Is putting a coin in an album or a paper wrapper that you know will tone a coin, any different than putting it in the oven or chemically treating it, or any other AT method? What was your initial thought when you saw this coin, AT or NT?

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tmoneyeagles

My initial thought when I see this coin is AT.
But I am no expert on toned coins...

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Danr

look how the bottom of the "Y" is a different color than the field around it. That is a tip off that it is NT. That being said it looks phony to me also.

FreakyGarrettC

NT, juiced photos.

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mark_h

Not sure who first said this here, but to me AT floats with the luster of the coin and NT sits on the coin. In this case to me NT or AT I would not buy it, but just from the scans I would say NT. I think chemically treating the coin does more than just tone it - it impacts the surface of the coin. Same with heating. Just my opinion.

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Leadfoot

QT. Could be AT, could be NT. We'll likely never know.

xtrmbrdr

I am tracking this coin, mostly to see what it sells for. I wouldn't buy this coin for more than melt!

At any rate, lets say it's NT; wouldn't we see many more coins like this, at least, color wise? I mean, if a subcontractor makes the planchets, which are made in sheets then punched into exact size rounds, wouldn't all the planchets from that "recipe" tone the same? So maybe all the AT looking silver Eagles on eBay are NT?

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codydude815

It's NT.

The color progression is dead on. IF it is AT, someone did a great job. The major tip off for me is green, it is the hardest of any color to achieve through ATing coins.

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Mark Feld

Differences or similarities in toning are usually far more likely to be the result of storage or environmental conditions than they are the method of production.

ecichlid

Funny how we hardly ever see silver bars toned like this.

AT vs NT is a debate. There is no hard definition for either that everyone will agree on. Even the TPG's can't find common ground.

krispy

I automatically thought AT when I saw the obverse but then when I saw the reverse was much less rainbow'd, I thought better chance this could be NT. I personally don't own any rainbow coins and don't know a whole lot about how they are kept to get them NT'd like this but I do know how reactive to environment and chems metals and coins are and are likely to do this. I also don't really agree with rainbows fetching such a high premium for simple surface reaction to a coin of equal grading.

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I think at add a poll

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Lehigh96

While I agree that green is probably the most difficult color to achieve in the AT process, that alone does not preclude it from being AT. Here is an AT coin with pink and green just like this ASE.



Having said that, I agree with Mike. This coin definitely falls in the realm of QT and I doubt we will ever be able to say with any certainty whether the coin is AT or NT. The coin has elements of NT. The color progression is yellow-magenta-cyan. The devices and lettering show different colors than the areas surrounding them. The reverse looks very original. That was the good. The bad is that it just looks "off". Maybe the photo is juiced to the point that the colors look different in hand. Maybe the colors are deep and vibrant but they don't appear that way in the photo. I don't think we can even make educated guess without seeing the coin in hand.

I say QT, leaning towards AT. Silver bullion coins are prime candidates for coin doctors to experiment. There is no downside since the coin has basically no numismatic value and AT won't hurt the intrinsic value.

chip

"I think at add a poll "

My thoughts exactly!

xtrmbrdr

That was another thought, what is the difference in toning between natural and, roll or album toning storage, in Florida (mostly hot and humid) and storage in Colorado (moderate and dry)? Both are places I have lived or currently live.

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