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LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 07-02-2009, 08:02 AM   #1 (permalink) ls8driver Chinese Coin collector     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 118 My Mood: Unusual N. Song 1 cash coin I have just received a Yuan Feng Tong Bao 1 cash coin from a usually reliable source. The closest match I can find is Hartill 16.233, but the Bao looks a bit different, and the top stroke of the Yuan is definitely unusual. Diameter is 23.8mm and weight 2.8g. Is this Northern Song or perhaps a Vietnamese copy? What do you experts think? Attached Thumbnails     07-03-2009, 07:00 AM   #2 (permalink) manymore Chinese Charm Collector     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 69 I don't know anything about Japanese coins but my guess is that it is a "small character" version Nagasaki coin similar to the one illustrated at this website: http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...akiexport.html Gary   07-03-2009, 07:19 AM   #3 (permalink) ls8driver Chinese Coin collector     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 118 My Mood: You could very well be right. Very interesting. as I only paid A$1.60 for this and another coin, I don't feel cheated! Thanks for the info. Richard   07-03-2009, 09:02 AM   #4 (permalink) hontonai Registered Contrarian   Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,589 My Mood: Authentication as a Japanese coin requires a look at the reverse. __________________ Ethical conduct is being honest when no one is watching.   07-03-2009, 06:44 PM   #5 (permalink) ls8driver Chinese Coin collector     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 118 My Mood: Here's the reverse. What are we looking for? Attached Thumbnails     07-03-2009, 06:49 PM   #6 (permalink) ls8driver Chinese Coin collector     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 118 My Mood: This is another where the Bao doesn't look right. Is this a Nagasaki coin, do you think? Attached Thumbnails   Last edited by ls8driver; 07-03-2009 at 06:53 PM. Reason: Pic didn't attach   07-03-2009, 08:26 PM   #7 (permalink) hontonai Registered Contrarian   Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,589 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by ls8driver Here's the reverse. What are we looking for? Either the absence of any characters or a single character at the top denoting that it was cast in Tokyo. Chinese, Korean and Annamese coins virtually all have more than one character on the reverse. __________________ Ethical conduct is being honest when no one is watching.   07-03-2009, 08:27 PM   #8 (permalink) hontonai Registered Contrarian   Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,589 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by ls8driver Is this a Nagasaki coin, do you think? I don't think its a coin at all. Most probably a temple token or "charm". __________________ Ethical conduct is being honest when no one is watching.   07-03-2009, 08:48 PM   #9 (permalink) ls8driver Chinese Coin collector     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 118 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by hontonai Either the absence of any characters or a single character at the top denoting that it was cast in Tokyo. Chinese, Korean and Annamese coins virtually all have more than one character on the reverse. The vast majority of Northern Song coins and many of those from other Chinese dynasties have reverses with NO characters.   08-30-2009, 03:11 AM   #10 (permalink) ls8driver Chinese Coin collector     Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 118 My Mood: I have been informed by Luke Roberts that the coin is a Nagasaki Export coin of the "fat character" type. It is a common variety worth a couple of dollars. Here is a link to Luke's excellent page: http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...akiexport.html   08-30-2009, 07:30 AM   #11 (permalink) danfierce70 Member     Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 247 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by ls8driver Here is a link to Luke's excellent page: http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/...akiexport.html Excellent resource. Bookmarked. 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