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03-22-2005, 01:08 PM
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| Warning ! New bill about to be signed into law
For anybody that purchases coins from an overseas seller there is a new issue to worry about - you may not get your coins as they may be siezed and confiscated by US Customs.
This new law has been passed by Congress and is presently awaiting the President's signature to become the law of the land. To read more - Click Here
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03-22-2005, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GDJMSP For anybody that purchases coins from an overseas seller there is a new issue to worry about - you may not get your coins as they may be siezed and confiscated by US Customs.
This new law has been passed by Congress and is presently awaiting the President's signature to become the law of the land. To read more - Click Here | They're going to open every package to see if there are coins.
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03-22-2005, 10:01 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington,New Zealand.
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Boy,that is very alarming news.Coin dealers over here are now forced to apply for an annual licence under the new Secondhand Dealers' Act,plus when they buy coins,they can't sell them straight away.They have to keep them for a fortnight before putting them into stock.It is these sorts of petty regulations that I,like the dealers,really resent.
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03-24-2005, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Aidan Work Coin dealers over here are now forced to apply for an annual licence under the new Secondhand Dealers' Act,plus when they buy coins,they can't sell them straight away.They have to keep them for a fortnight before putting them into stock. | But I feel that that is rather fair. Coin shops are in some ways like pawn shops, in that they good goods of value for resale. There should be proper documentation and IDing of the seller to attempt to ensure that the goods (coins) sold are not stolen.
Here, coin dealers do not generally buy from anyone who is either under 19 or who does not have sufficient ID.
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03-24-2005, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ccgnum But I feel that that is rather fair. Coin shops are in some ways like pawn shops, in that they good goods of value for resale. There should be proper documentation and IDing of the seller to attempt to ensure that the goods (coins) sold are not stolen.
Here, coin dealers do not generally buy from anyone who is either under 19 or who does not have sufficient ID. | This sort of thing increases prices, though. If the dealer has to hold things for 2 weeks, his turnover and liquidity slow down. If he can make a couple dollars on a coin he bought a few hours earlier, he might take it. But, if he has to hold hi stock for 2 weeks, he will be less likely to take a quick, easy, low, profit.
I am all for stopping the illegal sale of stolen coins, but I wonder how many crimes have really been solved with laws like these. My guess is few if any.
BTW, why not have the same rule for antique stores. Why not reuqire banks to hold the actual currency you deposit for 2 weeks and not credit your account unitl that 2 weeks is up? Where does this idea end?
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03-24-2005, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JBK This sort of thing increases prices, though. If the dealer has to hold things for 2 weeks, his turnover and liquidity slow down. If he can make a couple dollars on a coin he bought a few hours earlier, he might take it. But, if he has to hold hi stock for 2 weeks, he will be less likely to take a quick, easy, low, profit.
I am all for stopping the illegal sale of stolen coins, but I wonder how many crimes have really been solved with laws like these. My guess is few if any.
BTW, why not have the same rule for antique stores. Why not reuqire banks to hold the actual currency you deposit for 2 weeks and not credit your account unitl that 2 weeks is up? Where does this idea end? | Well, if depends how long an item has to be held. 3-4 days would not be unreasonable. Here, most dealers just refuse to buy if it appears that the items may be stolen.
Antique stores I'm not familiar with, but their buying/selling volume is nowhere near that of pawn shops or coin stores. Besides, a typical thief would probably go after coins (generally percieved to have value, and easily disposable) rather than antiques (which might be a big piece of worthless junk that easily identifyable and hard to sell).
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04-04-2005, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ccgnum Well, if depends how long an item has to be held. 3-4 days would not be unreasonable. Here, most dealers just refuse to buy if it appears that the items may be stolen.
Antique stores I'm not familiar with, but their buying/selling volume is nowhere near that of pawn shops or coin stores. Besides, a typical thief would probably go after coins (generally percieved to have value, and easily disposable) rather than antiques (which might be a big piece of worthless junk that easily identifyable and hard to sell). | Unreasonable or not, the question still exists, is it fair or justified? We should not be so quick to let the govt into our business, even if it is someone else's store being imposed upon. Three or four days....is that enought ime to let the police make a stop at all coin and pawn shops? Most burglaries and thefts are low priority for law enforcement.
As for antiques, they are less likely to be sold to a pawn shop perhaps (mainly beause the pawn shop owners are not knowledgable about them), but years ago my grandparents' house was emptied of all furniture that was remotely old. A lot of it was valuable. Antiques definitley are sought after by thieves.
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03-23-2005, 08:55 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: California
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It looks like they will only check them if they think the coins or artifacts come from Iraq. I don't know about you guys but I don't buy or trade much of anything with people who live in Iraq.
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03-24-2005, 05:47 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: California
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Maybe the idea never will...
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04-03-2005, 03:24 PM
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Old news, that law was signed by the President months ago.
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