silentnviolent

She told me "it looks weird, so I thought of you" whatever that means lol! But Thank you very much! It looks to me like it was stuck to the die at the mint, and used to punch other cents before coming loose. See pics. Opinions?

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silentnviolent

the rim is concave.... the cent is larger in diameter than normal cents..... it also reads 0.3 grams short on my scale.

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silentnviolent

are my pics good enough? let me know as I can try to take better ones.

TheNoost

traintracks! Nice friend

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ryanbrooks

Amazing coin!

Defiantly a keeper

silentnviolent

Am I right as to the cause of this though? I like to think I may know what I'm talking about. Any idea of value?

LostDutchman

I would bet on that coin being post mint damage...

It looks like the copper was eaten off with acid... I also don't believe it to be a coin that stuck to the die because on the zinc cents this really distorts and stretches them out. Here is one I just consigned to Teletrade http://teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?a...=2693&lot=3057

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Norice the rims it looks like an encased coin to me and post mint damage. That is certainly not a railroad rim coin.

JC

silentnviolent

this coin IS stretched out, wider. (see 2nd from last pic, which is a normal cent on top of the one in question.) the reverse is perfect, and punched very deeply into it, suggesting this was the side stuck to the die. there is no pitting anywhere on it, ruling out the acid theory. I didn't know the term "traintracks" until posted earlier, but after it was said, it certainly does resemble the edge of my coin (pics 3 & 4.)

silentnviolent

Nice coin! is yours 95% copper or is it zinc with copper plating? Why doesn't it say so on the slab? I'm curious: you would thing that kind of thing matters, and is fairly discernable by weight. I imagine that could be the difference between the two. Also, my cent is ever so slightly concave when the reverse is up, but there is no disruption to the design. This further suggests to me that the reverse was the side that was stuck to the die. So far we have pretty split opinions here.... Oh, btw, is a railroad rim the result of a reverse die cap, or is that two differing opinions on it in general?

LostDutchman

the die cap posted is on a %95 zinc planchet... you can see the zinc through the copper plating on the reverse.

I'm not trying to be a downer...but I just don't see how the coin you posted could have been produced at the mint like that.

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silentnviolent

the only way to increase diameter as this is would be to pound on it, which would distort the images on both sides, and flatten them out. that is not the case here. plus, I don't know HOW else what I see all the way around the rim could occur. lol, there are no tooling marks, and the thing isn't perfectly circular so one would need a remarkably steady hand... I respectfully disagree with you LostDutchman... would more pics help? I can try to get closer ones...

LostDutchman

If the piece was run through some sort of roller...something like an industrial "dough rolling machine" if you will... you would get the distortion in size, and it would as well make the rim look as it does without distorting the details very much.

I will leave it at this, I'm not sure exactly how it happened, tho I think this is a pretty solid theory... but I am positive that it didn't happen at the mint.

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silentnviolent

if a rolling machine made the traintracks on the rim then it is simply not logical that it also widened almost eliptically, flattened thinner than a normal cent (with a different ring to it when dropped), AND made the coin a little concave on when the reverse is up, ALL while retaining the design. -Andy

bqcoins

someone probably put it on the train tracks at the local zoo. I've done it at my zoo and it stretches it out just about like that. Fairly certain it is PMD.

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