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LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 03-28-2009, 03:44 PM   #1 (permalink) HandsomeToad Urinist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6,572 My Mood: 1897-P Morgan - Unknown VAM? Howdy peeps, I purchased a 1897-P Morgan some time ago and got to looking at it today and realized there's something more to it but I can't find anything on it on VamWorld. It was labeled a VAM-5, with a doubled 18 in the date but on the reverse, IN GOD WE TRUST has a weak E in WE and weak R in TRUST. Does anyone know anything about this, since VamWorld doesn't say anything about it? Ribbit   03-28-2009, 03:56 PM   #2 (permalink) mrbrklyn CEO of Brooklyn     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,094 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 Quote: Originally Posted by HandsomeToad Howdy peeps, It was labeled a VAM-5, with a doubled 18 in the date but on the reverse, IN GOD WE TRUST has a weak E in WE and weak R in TRUST. Does anyone know anything about this, since VamWorld doesn't say anything about it? Ribbit I LOVE your bird... __________________ "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." Coin Talk Museum Exhibits http://www.mrbrklyn.com/coins.html   03-28-2009, 10:16 PM   #3 (permalink) HandsomeToad Urinist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6,572 My Mood: Here are 2 more pics of the IGWT area: There are also die chips in the S of TRUST. Ribbit   03-29-2009, 11:12 AM   #4 (permalink) ksparrow Coin Hoarder     Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,279 Hi Toad, you know I'm not a Morgan guy, but I was going to tentatively suggest that some foreign matter- grease?- may have found its way into those 2 letters. I'm sure a Morganologist will have a more insightful idea. How did you obtain those highly magnified, but extremely sharp images? I'm impressed!   03-29-2009, 02:38 PM   #5 (permalink) HandsomeToad Urinist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6,572 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by ksparrow Hi Toad, you know I'm not a Morgan guy, but I was going to tentatively suggest that some foreign matter- grease?- may have found its way into those 2 letters. I'm sure a Morganologist will have a more insightful idea. How did you obtain those highly magnified, but extremely sharp images? I'm impressed! I posted this on VAM World and someone said grease filled die also but then, what about the die chips and obvious recutting of IGWT? I think there's more to it than just a grease filled die but I can't prove it. As to the pics, I use a Sony DSC-H7 camera and it has a built in macro feature. Just point and shoot. Ribbit   03-29-2009, 05:33 PM   #6 (permalink) ksparrow Coin Hoarder     Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,279 Thanks, Ribbit. Hope you can solve this coin conundrum!   04-04-2009, 06:02 AM   #7 (permalink) mrbrklyn CEO of Brooklyn     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,094 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 So what VAM is it? __________________ "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." Coin Talk Museum Exhibits http://www.mrbrklyn.com/coins.html   04-04-2009, 06:56 AM   #8 (permalink) jgrinz Senior Member     Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 168 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by mrbrklyn So what VAM is it? They do not assign VAM's for strike throughs to my knowledge and that is my assessment of the coin also.   04-04-2009, 03:16 PM   #9 (permalink) desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor     Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,498 My Mood: I agree with the VAM 5 assessment and filled letters. The recutting on the reverse would only be important if it was different from the reverses of the other 1897 P reverses ( all were C3a reverses). If the reverse die had pitting, then that would lead to a separate VAM, but if all had recutting then no separate VAMs. Jim   04-05-2009, 02:08 AM   #10 (permalink) HandsomeToad Urinist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6,572 My Mood: It doesn't look like any other VAM than the 5 for the date. I'm not into Morgans so I know very little about the VAM's, except what I read on here. I was hoping! Ribbit   Bookmarks Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google Would you like to support CoinTalk? Coin Talk Code of Honor 1. Post unto others as you would have them post unto you. 2. Keep it clean, like a 1950s family television show. 3. 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