1879 - S Morgan opinions?

PersianGuy · 03-27-2009, 12:12 AM

Ok so I know NPG is an unreliable joke, I've done my research there. They "graded" this coin as an MS66 Prooflike. I bought it because I really thought it looked decent from the auction pics (and at the time was not aware of NPG's bad rap)...

So, I recently joined PCGS Collectors club and have started a set there. Could anyone give me their take on what they think the grade is on this coin and what it might be worth? I want to know if it's worth grading.What grade would you guys put it at?

Thanks here are the pics ....

the_man12 · 03-27-2009, 12:15 AM

I would say MS65 and they were off on saying prooflike. More good news- NOT CLEANED!!

PersianGuy · 03-27-2009, 12:19 AM

What would you say the value is?

**raider34** · 03-27-2009, 12:25 AM

Reverse of 78', I'm I dont think so it has 7 tail feathers and SAF (Normal Rev). How did they mess that up?

mrbrklyn · 03-27-2009, 12:21 AM

Nice coin but I don't agree with the MS66. The strike is very excellent! I think it is a 63 or 64 though because of the markings near the face of the Liberty. Buy ANA standards, this is a sensitive area.

Ruben

PersianGuy · 03-27-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mrbrklyn

Nice coin but I don't agree with the MS66. The strike is very excellent!

I don't agree either with NPG on MS66, it's just I am insecure in my grading "technique" thus far and am not sure. It sure looks more radiant than a couple ms63's I have and with less bag marks.

oh and is it truly a "Reverse of 78" looks more like the later reverse than 78 to me.

mrbrklyn · 03-27-2009, 12:25 AM

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item..._No=9205#Photo

mrbrklyn · 03-27-2009, 12:27 AM

Auction 28112, Lot 22351 Tuesday, November 11, 2008 63 NGC $69.00 Auction 68111, Lot 61351 Sunday, November 2, 2008 63 NGC $69.00 Auction 28104, Lot 24215 Tuesday, October 28, 2008 63 NGC $92.00 Auction 99, Lot 527 Wednesday, January 6, 1993 63 ANACS $154.00 Auction 154, Lot 296 Friday, April 26, 1996 63 NGC $26.40 Auction 28111, Lot 21381 Tuesday, November 4, 2008 63 NGC $74.75 Auction 27024, Lot 12003 Tuesday, February 27, 2007 63 NGC $80.50 Auction 65093, Lot 24357 Sunday, September 18, 2005 63 NGC $80.50 Auction 28015, Lot 25578 Tuesday, January 29, 2008 63 NGC $115.00 Auction 108, Lot 1569 Friday, October 1, 1993 63 NGC $132.00 Auction 111, Lot 285 Friday, December 3, 1993 63 NGC $143.00 Auction 68063, Lot 63717 Sunday, June 15, 2008 63 NGC $167.90 Auction 20081, Lot 1302 Tuesday, August 8, 2000 63 PCGS $60.00 Auction 20082, Lot 2218 Tuesday, August 15, 2000 63 PCGS $60.00 Auction 20103, Lot 3254 Tuesday, October 17, 2000 63 PCGS $66.00 Auction 1110, Lot 6139 Sunday, June 29, 2008 63 PCGS $86.25 Auction 443, Lot 8288 Tuesday, July 17, 2007 63 PCGS $92.00 Auction 22023, Lot 15287 Tuesday, February 19, 2002 63 PCGS $96.60 Auction 68024, Lot 64616 Sunday, February 24, 2008 63 PCGS $97.75 Auction 25061, Lot 11520 Tuesday, June 7, 2005 63 PCGS $103.50 Auction 26042, Lot 11386 Tuesday, April 11, 2006 63 PCGS $103.50 Auction 65034, Lot 23494 Sunday, March 27, 2005 63 PCGS $115.00 Auction 26073, Lot 11802 Tuesday, July 18, 2006 63 PCGS $116.15 Auction 20025, Lot 4649 Tuesday, February 29, 2000 63 PCGS $45.00 Auction 20123, Lot 3484 Tuesday, December 19, 2000 63 PCGS $48.00 Auction 315, Lot 1260 Monday, March 3, 2003 63 PCGS $189.75 Auction 69034, Lot 64210 Sunday, March 22, 2009 63 PCGS $195.50 Auction 126, Lot 429 Friday, December 9, 1994 64 PCGS $198.00 Auction 373, Lot 1632 Monday, May 9, 2005 64 PCGS $230.00 Auction 1114, Lot 8784 Sunday, August 3, 2008 64 PCGS $230.00 Auction 405, Lot 8292 Monday, May 1, 2006 64 PCGS $178.25 Auction 24035, Lot 11505 Tuesday, March 30, 2004 64 PCGS $178.25 Auction 385, Lot 8982 Monday, September 26, 2005 64 PCGS $184.00 Auction 27043, Lot 13448 Tuesday, April 17, 2007 64 PCGS $184.00 Auction 28011, Lot 21303 Wednesday, January 2, 2008 64 PCGS $276.00 Auction 455, Lot 9348 Wednesday, January 16, 2008 64 PCGS $402.50 Auction 67091, Lot 24280 Sunday, September 2, 2007 64 PCGS $195.50 Auction 23061, Lot 13757 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 64 PCGS $120.75 Auction 154, Lot 297 Friday, April 26, 1996 64 PCGS $121.00 Auction 27114, Lot 13336 Tuesday, November 27, 2007 64 PCGS $172.50 Auction 167, Lot 831 Saturday, February 22, 1997 64 PCGS $176.00 Auction 21114, Lot 4279 Tuesday, November 27, 2001 64 PCGS $66.00 Auction 109, Lot 356 Friday, October 22, 1993 64 NGC $198.00 Auction 100, Lot 326 Wednesday, February 3, 1993 64 NGC $220.00 Auction 100, Lot 327 Wednesday, February 3, 1993 64 NGC $220.00 Auction 149, Lot 5660 Saturday, January 6, 1996 64 NGC $341.00 Auction 24091, Lot 13994 Tuesday, September 7, 2004 64 NGC $144.90 Auction 285, Lot 849 Sunday, February 24, 2002 64 NGC $155.25 Auction 24014, Lot 13824 Tuesday, January 27, 2004 64 NGC $135.70 Auction 68051, Lot 61615 Sunday, May 4, 2008 64 NGC $138.00 Auction 327, Lot 2294 Wednesday, August 6, 2003 64 NGC $120.75 Auction 65013, Lot 23345 Saturday, January 15, 2005 64 NGC $120.75 Auction 25023, Lot 11999 Tuesday, February 15, 2005 64 NGC $125.35 Auction 1122, Lot 8737 Sunday, February 8, 2009 64 NGC $126.50 Auction 26111, Lot 12221 Tuesday, November 7, 2006 64 NGC $126.50 Auction 22062, Lot 13267 Tuesday, June 11, 2002 64 NGC $89.70 Auction 356, Lot 1424 Monday, September 13, 2004 64 NGC $235.75 Auction 117, Lot 423 Friday, April 8, 1994 64 NGC $55.00 Auction 68101, Lot 62821 Sunday, October 5, 2008 64 ANACS $195.50 Auction 20054, Lot 4369 Tuesday, May 23, 2000 64 ANACS $60.00 Auction 28062, Lot 22725 Tuesday, June 10, 2008 64 ANACS $80.50 Auction 65054, Lot 23475 Sunday, May 22, 2005 64 ANACS $86.25 Auction 23083, Lot 11826 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 64 ANACS $111.55 Auction 1118, Lot 8283 Saturday, December 6, 2008 64 ANACS $126.50 Auction 27064, Lot 13307 Tuesday, June 26, 2007 64 ANACS $126.50 Auction 66122, Lot 24860 Sunday, December 10, 2006 64 NGC $92.00 Auction 22042, Lot 13685 Tuesday, April 9, 2002 64 NGC $93.15 Auction 65023, Lot 24864 Sunday, February 20, 2005 64 NGC $97.75 Auction 65042, Lot 23369 Sunday, April 10, 2005 64 NGC $97.75 Auction 180, Lot 327 Wednesday, January 7, 1998 64 NGC $99.00 Auction 202, Lot 502 Saturday, June 5, 1999 64 NGC $99.00 Auction 25051, Lot 13515 Tuesday, May 3, 2005 64 NGC $100.05 Auction 24102, Lot 11948 Tuesday, October 12, 2004 64 NGC $104.65 Auction 65052, Lot 23480 Sunday, May 8, 2005 64 NGC $105.80 Auction 20034, Lot 4458 Tuesday, March 28, 2000 64 NGC $110.00 Auction 24122, Lot 14139 Tuesday, December 14, 2004 64 NGC $115.00 Auction 108, Lot 1568 Friday, October 1, 1993 64 NGC $71.50 Auction 125, Lot 350 Wednesday, October 5, 1994 64 NGC $71.50 Auction 23072, Lot 11790 Tuesday, July 1, 2003 64 NGC $73.60

My guess is about $65 ??

Ruben

PersianGuy · 03-27-2009, 12:30 AM

Thanks guys, I knew I could count on you!

Oh well, I only spent about $75 on it so I don't feel too burned.

I don't think I'll bother sending it off to PCGS just yet.

**raider34** · 03-27-2009, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PersianGuy

Thanks guys, I knew I could count on you!

Oh well, I only spent about $75 on it so I don't feel too burned.

I don't think I'll bother sending it off to PCGS just yet.

I think that's a good deal. IMO this coin could go 65 which my book puts at around $150.

mrbrklyn · 03-27-2009, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PersianGuy

Thanks guys, I knew I could count on you!

Oh well, I only spent about $75 on it so I don't feel too burned.

I don't think I'll bother sending it off to PCGS just yet.

I think that is about right! I'd buy that for 75 dollars, especially with that terrific strike. The seller must have agreed with my grading.

Ruben

mrbrklyn · 03-27-2009, 12:30 AM

Auction 69034, Lot 64210 Sunday, March 22, 2009 63 PCGS $195.50
Auction 1110, Lot 6139 Sunday, June 29, 2008 63 PCGS $86.25
Auction 28112, Lot 22351 Tuesday, November 11, 2008 63 NGC $69.00
Auction 68112, Lot 62356 Sunday, November 9, 2008 63 NGC $64.00
Auction 28111, Lot 21381 Tuesday, November 4, 2008 63 NGC $74.75

Actually a bit more.