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03-22-2009, 02:28 AM
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| | King of Hearts
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| go for the keys
here is a nice article that i beleive serious people should read http://www.coinnews.tv/Going-for-the-Keys.htm
here are my thoughts. buy the keys first if you cant afford tobuy the keys first dont get into the make believe world that you will finish your collection
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03-22-2009, 02:50 AM
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| | Toning Freak
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I know that this article presents a popular opinion about key date coins, but I am going to have to dissent. My reason is very simple. The key dates of any series by nature have much less availability in the marketplace. You can't just go out and buy one whenever you want, you have to wait for them to hit the market.
Since the key date coin will be the cornerstone of your collection, the most important numismatic piece, and the most expensive, it is absolutely essential that you purchase a key date coin that possesses the quality and eye appeal that will make you happy and proud to own that coin. Simply buying the first available that hits the market in the grade that you want is IMO, a huge mistake.
Of all of the coins in your collection, the one you don't want to regret buying is the key date. Take the 1916-D Mercury Dime for example. This coin is extremely expensive in every grade and I have seen some absolutely butt ugly 1916-D's over the years. I would rather not own the key date than settle for the ugly duckling.
From my own personal collection, you can see that I follow my own advice. The key date to the Jefferson War Nickel set is the 1943/2-P with the 1945-P as a distant 2nd semi key. I presently own every Jefferson War Nickel in MS67 with the exception of the 1943/2-P. There have been at least 25 auctioned by Heritage while I have been building my set, but not one of them has met my standards for my collection. I want an MS66+ with either vibrant luster and monochromatic toning or a rainbow toned example. If I have to wait 5 years for the right one to come along, so be it, I will wait.
Just my two cents on the subject.
BTW, the guy who wrote that needs to learn how to properly use papagraphs. It was absolutely painful to make it all the way to the end.
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03-22-2009, 02:55 AM
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| | The Lincoln-ator
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You make a good point Paul.
I have advocated buying the keys first as well, but only after your education and tuition coins have been purchased.
This is simple economics because the keys rise faster and higher in an up market, the longer you wait, the more expensive they get. This is however assuming they are available, and thats where your thoughts come in.
TRUE key dates are not always available.
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03-22-2009, 02:57 AM
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i agree completely. Sometimes finding the key at that moment is just not feasible. Will I halt all barber dime buying until I get my uber elusive 1897 O, absolutely not, there are other coins I need in that set, and until I find the right coin, I will focus on the others, all the while knowing I need to be on the lookout for an 1897 O somewhere between VG and F
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03-22-2009, 03:05 AM
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I think the best way to obtain the key date is to create a key date fund. In essence, have the money available to buy the key date and put it aside. If that means you can't buy any other coins of the series for a few months than that is your sacrifice. If you do this, when the key date hits the market and grabs your eye, you will have the funds available to purchase the coin. If you don't have the money available, you will have to let the coin pass you by. If you never put the money aside, you will always have to let the coin pass you buy, and you will never obtain you key date coin.
Trust me, if a 1943/2-P Jefferson Nickel in MS68 hits the market next week, I have the money set aside already to obtain that coin.
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03-22-2009, 03:32 AM
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there is also more to collecting than filling holes. Hole filling is best left for other activities.
Ruben
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03-22-2009, 03:33 AM
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Can we ever just enjoy this hobby?
Ruben
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03-22-2009, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbrklyn there is also more to collecting than filling holes. Hole filling is best left for other activities.
Ruben | Funniest comment ever written on Cointalk right there folks.
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03-22-2009, 05:53 AM
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| | King of Hearts
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Originally Posted by mrbrklyn Can we ever just enjoy this hobby?
Ruben | when we can buy great slw for $50  have u started looking yet?
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03-22-2009, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbrklyn there is also more to collecting than filling holes. Hole filling is best left for other activities.
Ruben | That's a really deep subject.
Over my years at collecting, I thought it best to buy the keys first.
This changed over time to just not waiting till the very end.
The times I did wait, I felt rushed to finish the set.
The keys need to be something to be proud of in my opinion.
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03-22-2009, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbrklyn .... Hole filling is best left for other activities.
Ruben | Lol love it BOOOIIIINNNNNGGGG |
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03-22-2009, 10:30 AM
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I have chosen to be a type collector, not a series collector. Thus I have the freedom to ignore the "key date" obsession. I understand the inherent value in collecting low mintages, but I really don't want to exhaust my money on a low quality 16-D merc when I can feel the joy of buying/owning a gem merc plus some other gem type where I can appreciate all their beauty.
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03-22-2009, 12:12 PM
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| | CEO of Brooklyn
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Originally Posted by spock1k when we can buy great slw for $50  have u started looking yet? | Send me $50 bucks Geraldene, in gold and we will start searching
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03-22-2009, 12:13 PM
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| | Numismatist
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Originally Posted by mrbrklyn Can we ever just enjoy this hobby?
Ruben | That too is my concern. It always appears where some individual with way to much money blurts out that we should all run out and buy the most expensive of everything. I guess if your really wealthy, don't care about a hobby, only interested in bragging about my stuff is better than your stuff, then naturally go for the most expensive coins too.
Me! I like collecting coins. I really don't care what they are worth. To me it's a hobby.
I like cars too but I'm not about to do like Jay Leno and collect millions of dollars worth of cars.
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03-22-2009, 12:15 PM
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| | King of Hearts
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Originally Posted by mrbrklyn Send me $50 bucks Geraldene, in gold and we will start searching | GD you forgot to take him to the hospital again  and while you are going there Ruben dont forget to nominate
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