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Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >   LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes 10-08-2008, 11:28 AM   #1 (permalink) budgood Forever the Student     Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 41.69 (41°41') | -83.61 (-83°36') Posts: 978 My Mood: Predict the grade 1863 Two Cent Piece I thought it would be fun to give you guys a shot at this before it goes to NCS/NGC . So what do you think it will grade ? Jay B- (you should chime in on this) how about a 1st post from you. Attached Thumbnails     __________________ "Take an honest look at your willingness - or lack of willingness - to make some very great sacrifices with the hope of future benefit. Then make your decision, go forward with it, and never, never look back. Good luck my young friend.- Roy Last edited by budgood; 10-08-2008 at 11:41 AM.   10-08-2008, 12:29 PM   #2 (permalink) HandsomeToad Urinist     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6,599 My Mood: Is this a Fantasy piece or Pattern? Ribbit   10-08-2008, 01:17 PM   #3 (permalink) NPCoin Juxtaposed Oxymora     Join Date: May 2006 Location: Powell, WY Posts: 483 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by budgood I thought it would be fun to give you guys a shot at this before it goes to NCS/NGC . So what do you think it will grade ? Very nice U.S. Essay piece! Provided it's authentic, that is From Scott's: Quote: 147-A. Two Cents. Dies by Longacre. Shield with crossed arrows behind, heavy laurel wreath on either side, and GOD OUR TRUST on scroll above/2 CENTS in wreath of wheat, the word CENTS only slightly curved. Bronze. P.E. R7. $250. Price is from my birthyear..1971! Grade would be very hard to determine as there are less than 10 examples (assuming authenticity). Is this yours? How did you come across it? __________________ Numismatics is a never ending learning process. And numismatists are the students in this process with time as its teacher.   10-08-2008, 01:40 PM   #4 (permalink) budgood Forever the Student     Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 41.69 (41°41') | -83.61 (-83°36') Posts: 978 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by NPCoin Very nice U.S. Essay piece! Provided it's authentic, that is From Scott's: Price is from my birthyear..1971! Grade would be very hard to determine as there are less than 10 examples (assuming authenticity). Is this yours? How did you come across it? Oh, I am 99.9999% sure it is authentic. It comes from a private collection of other patterns that haven't seen the light of day for many years. It is a "company" coin. I can only dream for now as to own it. It is on the top of my list though for my next pattern purchase. It is only 1 of 4 that I know of, the last one to sell on heritage was back in 2004 it sold for $8600. It will be a tough one to grade. I think it will be PF65-66 red once it has been conserved.But of course my opinion is slightly scewed. __________________ "Take an honest look at your willingness - or lack of willingness - to make some very great sacrifices with the hope of future benefit. Then make your decision, go forward with it, and never, never look back. Good luck my young friend.- Roy Last edited by budgood; 10-08-2008 at 02:02 PM.   10-08-2008, 02:05 PM   #5 (permalink) NPCoin Juxtaposed Oxymora     Join Date: May 2006 Location: Powell, WY Posts: 483 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by budgood It is only 1 of 4 that I know of, the last one to sell on heritage was back in 2004 it sold for $8600. On that note, I should then ask if you know for a fact if it is composed of bronze or copper-nickel? the U.S. Mint Essay for the bronze planchet is a rarity of R7, but there were only three confirmed copper-nickel planchet essays for this type according to my source. The copper-nickel is the rarer of the two planchets used on this essay, the third planchet type being some "white metal" used as a uniface trial strike (1 specimen known). __________________ Numismatics is a never ending learning process. And numismatists are the students in this process with time as its teacher. Last edited by NPCoin; 10-08-2008 at 02:07 PM. Reason: planchet clarification   10-08-2008, 02:08 PM   #6 (permalink) budgood Forever the Student     Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 41.69 (41°41') | -83.61 (-83°36') Posts: 978 My Mood: Unfortunately from everything I can tell it is the Bronze type. __________________ "Take an honest look at your willingness - or lack of willingness - to make some very great sacrifices with the hope of future benefit. Then make your decision, go forward with it, and never, never look back. Good luck my young friend.- Roy   10-08-2008, 02:22 PM   #7 (permalink) eddiespin Fast Eddie     Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,128 Into the valley of death rode the six-hundred... I really don't belong here, but for my curiosity. If you can, Jason, take a look at this .pdf file: http://www.birdcoin.comByron%20Reed%...0June%2018.pdf. I'm wondering, is it bronze (P93), or is it copper (P94)? You can tell by the weight. PS: I think this is genuine and an exquisite gem, do let us know what the TPG thinks... EDIT: I see we were writing at the same time...did you check the weight on that? __________________ Betting money on horses is a sucker's game -George Raft Last edited by eddiespin; 10-08-2008 at 02:25 PM.   10-08-2008, 02:38 PM   #8 (permalink) budgood Forever the Student     Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 41.69 (41°41') | -83.61 (-83°36') Posts: 978 My Mood: Sorry Eddie- This is Judd-315 The coins you linked to are J-312 & J-312a Look at the word cents on the Reverse ,It is not as curved on my piece as the one you linked to. Thanks for the info though - I always liked Byron Reeds collection as a referance. The weight is 93 grains. __________________ "Take an honest look at your willingness - or lack of willingness - to make some very great sacrifices with the hope of future benefit. Then make your decision, go forward with it, and never, never look back. Good luck my young friend.- Roy   10-08-2008, 02:49 PM   #9 (permalink) eddiespin Fast Eddie     Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,128 Quote: Originally Posted by budgood Sorry Eddie- This is Judd-315 The coins you linked to are J-312 & J-312a Look at the word cents on the Reverse ,It is not as curved on my piece as the one you linked to. Thanks for the info though - I always liked Byron Reeds collection as a referance. The weight is 93 grains. I see exactly, now, Jason...thanks! PS: And then they rode back. But not, not the six-hundred... __________________ Betting money on horses is a sucker's game -George Raft   10-08-2008, 03:39 PM   #10 (permalink) Conder101 Numismatist   Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,073 A lot nicer than my J-312 (which is a Fine 12 at best) __________________ Slab collector and researcher reported as of 12/29/06 132 companies 332 production varieties   10-08-2008, 04:38 PM   #11 (permalink) NPCoin Juxtaposed Oxymora     Join Date: May 2006 Location: Powell, WY Posts: 483 My Mood: Quote: Originally Posted by budgood The weight is 93 grains. Unfortunately, my resource on the essays does not include weights. Out of curiosity, is the planchet thicker than a normal two-cent piece from 1964? The bronze planchets will be a thinner planchet (those used in the 1964 production), while the heavier copper-nickel planchets should be thicker. Just really curious, since I've been researching two-centers these past six months and there should only be less than a dozen of all planchet varieties for this essay. Thanks for sharing with us! __________________ Numismatics is a never ending learning process. And numismatists are the students in this process with time as its teacher.   10-08-2008, 04:47 PM   #12 (permalink) budgood Forever the Student     Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 41.69 (41°41') | -83.61 (-83°36') Posts: 978 My Mood: The planchet is just a touch thinner , but the sharp rims make it appear a near match. __________________ "Take an honest look at your willingness - or lack of willingness - to make some very great sacrifices with the hope of future benefit. Then make your decision, go forward with it, and never, never look back. Good luck my young friend.- Roy   10-08-2008, 04:54 PM   #13 (permalink) Catbert Evil Cat     Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Flyover country Posts: 1,603 My Mood: Budgood - very nice. What is going on with the reverse dentils between 4:30 and 6:00? Is that wear or is it just the camera focus? __________________ See some of Catbert's coins: http://www.cointalk.com/members/catbert/albums/   10-08-2008, 04:59 PM   #14 (permalink) budgood Forever the Student     Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 41.69 (41°41') | -83.61 (-83°36') Posts: 978 My Mood: Nothing - it is just the light as you said . Everything is very crips & sharp. __________________ "Take an honest look at your willingness - or lack of willingness - to make some very great sacrifices with the hope of future benefit. Then make your decision, go forward with it, and never, never look back. Good luck my young friend.- Roy   10-08-2008, 05:27 PM   #15 (permalink) rzage What Goes Around Comes A     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,561 My Mood: Another beautiful coin , when I 1st glanced at it I wondered if you were selling it & if I could afford it , then I looked at the date . 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