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12-24-2007, 11:37 AM
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Here is a 1911 D wheat cent that I am considering purchasing. Only $8, but there is sign of corrosion. What would you grade it without corrosion, and then what would you net grade it? Thanks ahead of time for all help and opinions. Also, any way that I can properly get rid of the corrosion so it doesn't do any more damage? Suggestions? Thanks ahead of time, and Merry Christmas to all!  
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12-24-2007, 11:48 AM
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Buying problem coins only presents you with more problems like - how do I fix it ? You can't fix it - ever. Don't buy problem coins - then you don't want or have to fix it.
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12-24-2007, 12:01 PM
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Cmon Doug, Problem coins need a home too.
I would say about 5-7 bucks on this one. Net it at F12.
It does have character. : )
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12-24-2007, 12:03 PM
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as nice as it is, I wouldnt pay 8$ for it...
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12-24-2007, 12:05 PM
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Jim I wouldn't have an issue with people buying problem coins as long as they recognize them for what they are - and accept that. But 99% of the time there is always the question - how can I fix it or make it look better ?
If you are going to buy a problem coin fine, but don't do so unless you first recognize and admit that it can't be fixed or somehow made better.
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12-24-2007, 12:09 PM
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I was just asking if there was a way for me to help it, because I just don't want it to get any more damaged than it possibly is. I know I can't fix it, sorry about how I worded my question, I guess I came across wrong. How can I prevent it from corroding even more is what I meant to ask. Is there a safe way I can get rid of the corrosion so it doesn't do any more damage? Thanks for the help so far.
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12-24-2007, 12:35 PM
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Photos not clear enough for proper appraisal but $8 is to much for what I can see.
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12-24-2007, 12:37 PM
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that sure is one ugly coin
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12-24-2007, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix21  How can I prevent it from corroding even more is what I meant to ask. Is there a safe way I can get rid of the corrosion so it doesn't do any more damage? Thanks for the help so far.
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The only way there is to prevent it from corroding more is to remove the corrosion.
Then you ask if there is a safe way to remove it - what do you mean by "safe" ? Sounds an awful lot to me like how do I fix it ? As I said - you can't fix it. Yes, you can remove the corrosion by using a harsh chemical that will strip the coin of any and all patina, a thin layer of metal and of course the corrosion. Now if that is how you chosse to define safe - have at it.
But to most people, if asked if there was a safe way - that would mean remove the corrosion without altering the appearance of the coin or ruining the appearance of the coin. In that case - no, there is no way.
And that's why I recommend - don't buy problem coins.
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12-24-2007, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GDJMSP The only way there is to prevent it from corroding more is to remove the corrosion.
Then you ask if there is a safe way to remove it - what do you mean by "safe" ? Sounds an awful lot to me like how do I fix it ? As I said - you can't fix it. Yes, you can remove the corrosion by using a harsh chemical that will strip the coin of any and all patina, a thin layer of metal and of course the corrosion. Now if that is how you chosse to define safe - have at it.
But to most people, if asked if there was a safe way - that would mean remove the corrosion without altering the appearance of the coin or ruining the appearance of the coin. In that case - no, there is no way.
And that's why I recommend - don't buy problem coins. | Safe- To get rid of the corrosion on the coin, without having to harshly clean it. I realise I am going to have to clean it if I buy it, but what would be the best to get rid of the corrosion without having to harshly clean it? I'm sorry, I really can't get the words I want from my head to the key board if that makes sense. What is the proper way to get rid of the corrosion? Acetone? Kaboom?  Joking about the Kaboom. But please everyone understand, I know that I can not reverse the corrosion, and that I'll have to clean it in someway to get rid of it. My question is, what is the best way you recomend to get rid of the corrosion, without hurting the coin to bad with the cleaning? Thanks for the advice and help so far, and sorry for the confusion and me not coming across to clear.
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12-24-2007, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix21 My question is, what is the best way you recomend to get rid of the corrosion, without hurting the coin to bad with the cleaning? Thanks for the advice and help so far, and sorry for the confusion and me not coming across to clear.
Phoenix | You are coming across perfectly clear, you always were. But apparently you refuse to believe what I am telling you. There is no way to remove the corrosion without hurting the coin.
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12-24-2007, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GDJMSP You are coming across perfectly clear, you always were. But apparently you refuse to believe what I am telling you. There is no way to remove the corrosion without hurting the coin. | I am sorry, I don't refuse to hear what you are saying, I just didn't understand you at first. Know I understand loud and clear. I am probably going to pass on it. But, I don't take this in vain or anything of the sort (for lack of better words), I learned a few things. I'll just save up now for my 09 S. Thanks a lot GD, and everyone else.  Merry Christmas and HAppy Holidays to all.
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12-24-2007, 02:13 PM
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No need to be sorry, it's just frustrating for me. I've said this probably a thousand times. Others have said it 10,000 times.
You can't fix a problem coin - ever. You can't make a problem coin look better - ever. Anything you do to a problem coin will only cause more damage - always.
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12-24-2007, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GDJMSP No need to be sorry, it's just frustrating for me. I've said this probably a thousand times. Others have said it 10,000 times.
You can't fix a problem coin - ever. You can't make a problem coin look better - ever. Anything you do to a problem coin will only cause more damage - always. | I dunno... I've heard some tales. Corroded, holed coins rising from their graves to consume the brains of the living. Or were those zombies? Whatever.
But seriously, Phoenix, the question you should be asking is not "how do I remove the corrosion", it should be "how do I STOP the corrosion." The pinprick holes caused by the corrosion aren't going ANYWHERE. Unlike most forms of damage, such as holes or scratches, corrosion is a process. If the corrosion is still active, then when you buy it, it will continue to get worse! This is a problem I've faced numerous times on my ancient coins.
Of course, tt goes without saying that it is worth less than an uncorroded specimen (how much, I won't venture a guess). But a corroded coin still has SOME value.
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12-24-2007, 02:49 PM
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Oh I agree with what GD is saying. A problem coin today is going to be a problem coin tomorrow. There is no bandaid to fix the issue. The problem has left its mark and there will always be a scar. Is it worth the effort on a minimally priced coin?
I was just saying that a problem coin needs a home too. : )
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