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05-04-2007, 10:43 AM
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Hello all its my first post and the coin I wish to dicuss has driven me to it. Typically I only collect medieval silver coinage from poland, because the wife is polish but.....I was in a rather impressive coin shop in the oldtown Gdansk Poland yesterday searching for my usual.(currently on vacation meeting my new family-im from KY) And I bought a coin from nazi germany. When I return home I will post a pic of it. I am fully aware that NO coins were ever released with HITLERS BUST. But this is for sure a 50 pfennig coin because it says it right on the coin. Oddly enough its not nickel, I believe its copper.The shop owner seemed to know his stuff about coins and says he had never seen one before, also told me no coins were ever released with his face and because of this it is uncirculated.He said he knew nothing about the coin except that a fellow collector friend of his had seen one before. It is the size of a penny.Any info would be appreciated!
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05-04-2007, 10:47 AM
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Welcome aboard,Glowplug.There were no coins issued with Adolf Hitler's portrait on them.There is a pattern 5 Reichmark listed in Krause that depicts both Hitler & a Swastika on the obverse.
Can you please post some photos of your item?
Aidan.
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05-04-2007, 11:25 AM
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welcome to the forum.. good luck in your search for info |
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05-04-2007, 01:17 PM
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Unlike Aidan, I read your complete post, including Quote: |
When I return home I will post a pic of it.
| and will wait until you return from your vacation to see pictures of your fantasy piece.
Just because it has a denomination doesn't make it a legitimate coin, and a 50 pfennig is clearly not a 5 reichsmark pattern!
I just hope you paid a reasonable price for your bit of exonumia.
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05-04-2007, 03:33 PM
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I have seen this coin on eBay. THey state it is a comm.
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05-04-2007, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by hamman88 I have seen this coin on eBay. THey state it is a comm. | They lie.
Or, perhaps, they are just ignorant and they are offering one of the several coins minted in the '30s with a bust of Paul von Hindenburg, the German military hero and President, who appointed Herr Schicklgruber to the post of Chancellor.
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05-04-2007, 05:47 PM
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It is purely designed as a medal with a design that is masquerading as the coin design.It has no numismatic value whatsoever.
Aidan.
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05-04-2007, 06:19 PM
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No, the said it was an unoffical comm. of hitler and his name was on it.
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05-04-2007, 06:24 PM
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That description is wrong,as there were no commemorative or circulation coins with Hitler's head on it.As I explained before,there was a pattern 5 Reichsmark that is listed in Krause that depicts both Hitler & a Swastika.
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05-04-2007, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by hamman88 No, the said it was an unoffical comm. of hitler and his name was on it. | An "unofficial commemorative" is a fancy marketing name for a private issue non-circulating, non-legal tender medal.
In other words, if they call it a coin in their auction they are in fact lying, not mistaken, since they obviously know what it is.
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Legally speaking,the vendor can be prosecuted under the relevent fair trading legislation for misrepresenting an item as something that it isn't.
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05-05-2007, 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Aidan Work Legally speaking,the vendor can be prosecuted under the relevent fair trading legislation for misrepresenting an item as something that it isn't. | Not necessarily a complete and accurate statement of the law in many US jurisdictions.
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05-05-2007, 06:37 AM
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I think my thread got hijacked for argumentive purposes! Anywhooo, Everything in poland is cheap so regardless of value im cool with the coin for novelty sake. Wish I could post a pic aggggg! the front has hitlres bust it says: erneuerer deutschlands on the left and right respectivly and heil hitler on top and bottom respectivly, with four tiny swastikas between all the words. The obverse has a large swastika with 50 laid on top of it, equal in size. It says av ich hab mitgenholfen from left to right around the edge then on the bottom surrounded by 2 tiny swastikas the word opferpfennige. It may not have ever been intended for use as currency but im still curious as to what it is! Thanks for all your prompt responses i think im really going to like this board. p.s. im new to coin lingo comm=commemorative?
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05-05-2007, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by glowplug I think my thread got hijacked for argumentive purposes! Anywhooo, Everything in poland is cheap so regardless of value im cool with the coin for novelty sake. Wish I could post a pic aggggg! the front has hitlres bust it says: erneuerer deutschlands on the left and right respectivly and heil hitler on top and bottom respectivly, with four tiny swastikas between all the words. The obverse has a large swastika with 50 laid on top of it, equal in size. It says av ich hab mitgenholfen from left to right around the edge then on the bottom surrounded by 2 tiny swastikas the word opferpfennige. It may not have ever been intended for use as currency but im still curious as to what it is! Thanks for all your prompt responses i think im really going to like this board. p.s. im new to coin lingo comm=commemorative? |
Adian over the years seems to be into nazi coins and has strong views on other subjects as well. I think you two might hit it off.
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05-05-2007, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by glowplug It says av ich hab mitgenholfen from left to right around the edge then on the bottom surrounded by 2 tiny swastikas the word opferpfennige. It may not have ever been intended for use as currency but im still curious as to what it is! | The word Opferpfennig indicates it's a donation token. Those are not coins but were given out as kind of receipts, to people who donated to the nazi party, to some winter help campaign, etc.
Christian
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