Guess the grade #457

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1909- VDB NGC Grade?

Poll closed Jan 23, 2013.
  1. Genuine/details

    15.0%
  2. 58

    10.0%
  3. 60

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. 61

    0 vote(s)
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  5. 62

    25.0%
  6. 63

    25.0%
  7. 64

    20.0%
  8. 65

    5.0%
  9. 66

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    1909- VDB NGC slabbed

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    1909- VDB NGC B7 O.JPG 1909- VDB NGC B7 R.JPG
     
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  3. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    tricky but MS-64BN (a 65 wouldn't surprise me)
     
  4. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

  5. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I'd grade that coin 62.
     
  6. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    I know I've seen this one before....but of course I can't remember the grade. LOL
     
  7. ReaperRuler

    ReaperRuler Resident Numismatist

    58 The quality isnt there for me to say MS
     
  8. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Pulled out my dart and winged it at the grading board tonight.
     
  9. miedbe7

    miedbe7 Wayward Collector

    i went ms-65 but what do i know, perhaps you can't recieve a gem grade with so much carbon marks (is that what they are?)
     
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

  11. Irish2Ice

    Irish2Ice Member


    I feel like I've seen it before too, but like you I don't remember the grade. Seems like I only remember missing it by several points, lol.
     
  12. ikes4ever

    ikes4ever Senior Member

    ms-62 this is a tough one
     
  13. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Strike - very solid. Full hair, no planchet marks on the shoulder, full wheats and wheat lines. Even the O is full.
    Marks/nicks - absent. I am sure I could get out a microscope and find some for you, but that is not how you grade a coin. And those are not carbon spots.
    Luster - good, but not the best.
    Eye appeal - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder? I am not sure how they evaluated it here, but the low graded coins I have seen have a major problem or more. Yes, the color is not uniform, but nothing there is really due to a problem (I mean real problems).
    In summary, with good color, this is easily a 65 (or 66?). NGC balanced all to a 64. I would have to agree even adding a nice 64.

    BTW, Thad, you may have seen similar coins, but I don't think this specific coin before. I bought 12 of these all with the deep orange color and blue splotches. More than one have been posted here more than once.

    1909- VDB NGC 64 B7 SL.JPG
     
  14. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Well really learned something today , they don't take too much off for ugly (too me ) toning , which I thought were carbon spots . Dick now a question , if those were carbon spots instead of blotchy toning how much would they take off , and what grade would you give it ?
     
  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    If all those blotches were carbon spots, IMO, it would not even grade.
     
  16. WeirdFishes

    WeirdFishes Active Member

  17. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Off by 2....should have stuck with my gut 63.
     
  18. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Thanks , I should have figured that , this coin really fooled me it's got a great strike nice luster where it shows no hits like you said , it's just that those marks look like carbon spots especially on the reverse . Still the marks did lower the grade but not as much as I thought .
     
  19. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    To give everyone a little perspective, this one now belongs to EyeEatWheaties (his pictures). There are several nicks on it, but none major. Notice the luster is broken on the reverse. And it still got a 64.

    1909 VDB NGC64 O.jpg 1909 VDB NGC64 R.jpg
     
  20. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    BS

    I protest!

    lol
     
  21. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Protest what? The first one or the second? Either way, the result is the same.:D
     
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