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About LinkBacksGreat, you can add that to his list of coins that I am jealous of.Originally Posted by valente151
Great, you can add that to his list of coins that I am jealous of.
I have a recurring dream where I'm buying a cigar in a pharmacy somewhere in NYC. I pay with a dollar and the cashier reaches below the counter, pulls out a BU roll of key date coins, cracks the roll on the edge of the register drawer, and dumps them into the tray.
The year changes, but it's always a key date year!
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I'm not sure how there can be anything bad to say about this coin. I wish that they would image their coins better so that you can see how truly beautiful this coin is. I have not seen this coin personally, but I have seen many high grade blast white coins from the era. There is something to be said of a coin in this state of preservation. You would be hard pressed to find a modern business strike with that quality.
Being blast white does not necessarily mean that the coin has been cleaned. Toning is not just a natural thing that a coin does, it takes a contaminant of some sort to make the toning start. It is very unusual for any coin of this age to be free of some sort of toning, but it does happen.
I disagree to a degree. This coin has definately been dipped at one point over the past 180+ years, IMO. The line between a light cleaning such as a dip and other more harmful cleanings can be very hard to define. But dont get me wrong, I'm not saying that the dipping made this coin bad, it could have had horrible, black toning and now is a market acceptable piece.
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Several dippings and a recent one. I'll bet what appears to be a hint of toning (top obverse) is lighting. Anyway, still a nice coin - notice how all the stars are full, that's more common on proofs.
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When you say cleaned if you mean dipped - I disagree.
Yes, it is.Toning is not just a natural thing that a coin does,
[quote]it takes a contaminant of some sort to make the toning start.[quote]
Well in a way yes, but all the contaminants needed for any coin to tone are present in the air. And since there was (and still isn't) no way to keep a coin from coming into contact with the air, then the coin WILL tone.
A myth - nothing more than something that people want to believe so they can think, or claim, that their coin has never been dipped.It is very unusual for any coin of this age to be free of some sort of toning, but it does happen.
Why ? I don't know, because when done properly there is no way, scientifically or otherwise, to ever prove that a coin has been dipped. The only proof of it is common sense and deductive reasoning.
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Well Doug, I was wondering when it would happen. But I respectfully disagree. I have coins that my Great-Great Grandfather collected in the 1870s that are blast white and have never been dipped. And how do you explain all of those bags of Morgan and Peace dollars that are all blast white? Surely if these coins were all toned, they would sell them at a premium and not clean the color off of them. As far as I"m concerned, there is only one way to properly dip a coin. And that is a quick acetone bath which in my experience does not remove all toning.
In the past toning was not desirable, so "everyone" including dealers dipped coins so they could sell them. How do you know your family's coins have not been dipped? If they're from the 1870's and blast white, they've been dipped, since the technology to keep them free from contaminants (air) didn't exist then - the closest thing today are Air-Tites and they're not 100%. Today, since toning is desirable, if an old coin is blast white, it could mean that it had undesirable toning, and from experience, I've found that that undesirable toning could reappear as the coin retones.
agree, it looks like it has been dipped more than once, the photos don't seem to show much luster.
Doesn't look MS-68 to me from the photos.
[QUOTE=GDJMSP;1487667]When you say cleaned if you mean dipped - I disagree.
Yes, it is.
[quote]it takes a contaminant of some sort to make the toning start.I agree with Doug.
Well in a way yes, but all the contaminants needed for any coin to tone are present in the air. And since there was (and still isn't) no way to keep a coin from coming into contact with the air, then the coin WILL tone.
A myth - nothing more than something that people want to believe so they can think, or claim, that their coin has never been dipped.
Why ? I don't know, because when done properly there is no way, scientifically or otherwise, to ever prove that a coin has been dipped. The only proof of it is common sense and deductive reasoning.
Dealer has a good rep. but on eBay that Big money but I am sure there not to many MS-68 1831 10C.if this was used we would all know.
Kirk - Morgans are the only coins there are that were ever stored in bags in govt. vaults until modern times. So Morgans are the only coins there are that have ever, repeat ever, been found blast white in bags. And that is specifically because of that unique characteristic.
If you ever saw a blast white Peace dollar, the odds are 9,999 out of 10,000 it's been dipped. Same for any other older silver coins, including most of those made in the 20th century. And yes that includes your grandfathers coins.
Now if you don't want to believe me that's your privilege. But even Q. David Bowers will tell you the exact same thing I am telling you. So will every other numismatic expert.
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When I pay for lunch at work and the cashier reaches for a fresh BU roll of 2012 Roosevelt dimes, cracks them on the edge of the register drawer, then empties them into the tray...I wonder if I'm simply the protagonist of someone else's dream...200 years from now!
I am really not trying to argue with your expertise, I just simply disagree. I understand that nearly all coins of this age have been dipped, and I'm not saying that this one has not been dipped (I would bet that is had been conserved by NCS). I was simply stating that just because a coin is blast white, it does not necessarily mean that it has been dipped. I bring my GG grandfathers collection as an example because I don't think that anyone in the family ever dipped the coins. He stored his coins stacked up, which is likely the reason that many of the coins remained white. the edges clearly show that they were exposed to the elements, but the obverse and reverse remained white. It was not until the 1980s, when I started compiling the collection into albums, that toning started to appear on the coins. It is the reason behind my recent rant about wanting a quality archival album.
I am not against dipping a coin for preservation if done properly, in fact I give just about every coin (minus the coppers) an acetone bath before it goes in an album. It just bothers me that a coin is so quickly thrown under the bus for having been cleaned when I know that it is not always the case.
Saying that a coin has been dipped (cleaned - not harshly cleaned) is far from throwing it under the bus. Most coins that are or have been dipped are actually improved condition wise as a result of that dipping. Saying that coin has been dipped is nothing more than stating a fact. It is not a derogatory comment in any way.
As for your family's coins, even if they have been in your family for 2 or 3 generations, and even considering the way your grandfather stored them, that still does not mean that those coins have never been dipped. Dipping coins has been with us for hundreds of years. So unless your grandfather got the coins fresh from the mint, which I very much doubt, and they were blast white when he got them, then it almost a certainty that they were dipped before he got them. Because no coin is going to remain untoned for even 1 year.
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