Guess the grade #291

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by rlm's cents, Nov 30, 2011.

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1954-S PCGS Grade?

Poll closed Dec 7, 2011.

  1. Genuine/details

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  2. 63

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%

  3. 64

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%

  4. 65

    3 vote(s)
    13.6%

  5. 66

    8 vote(s)
    36.4%

  6. 67

    7 vote(s)
    31.8%

  7. 68

    2 vote(s)
    9.1%
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  1. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    1954-S PCGS slabbed

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    1954-S PCGS O.JPG 1954-S PCGS R.JPG
     
    rlm's cents, Nov 30, 2011
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  3. Shoewrecky

    Shoewrecky Coin Hoarder

    the nicks on the chin and behind the ear arre very distracting making me want to give it a 66 but it definitely has the qualities of a 67.
     
    Shoewrecky, Nov 30, 2011
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  4. JCB1983

    JCB1983 Learning

    I go 68
     
    JCB1983, Nov 30, 2011
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  5. jcakcoin

    jcakcoin New Member

    Nice coin!

    MS67 RD
     
    jcakcoin, Nov 30, 2011
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  6. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Does the luster carry it to 67? What the heck I will go with that.
     
    mark_h, Nov 30, 2011
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  7. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

    looks like a beaut... 66
     
    bahabully, Nov 30, 2011
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  8. CoinCast

    CoinCast Member

    MS 67
    Thanks for the Contest again :thumb:
     
    CoinCast, Nov 30, 2011
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  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    With hits like that on the head it absolutely amazes me how anybody could think that coin could ever on ts best day be graded higher than 64 :eek:
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 1, 2011
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  10. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

    I see worse singular hits on 65's. Coin appears to have clean as silk fields with excellent luster (67+). I held it back for the 3 moderate hits on and around Abe's face to a 65, then +1.....
     
    bahabully, Dec 1, 2011
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  11. james m. wolfe

    james m. wolfe New Member

    63 1/3 is my guess?
     
    james m. wolfe, Dec 1, 2011
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  12. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Don't let the ticks and taps fool you.... Luster, boys, luster.
     
    Leadfoot, Dec 1, 2011
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  13. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I have watched Doug's grading. I really don't think he counts luster for much - or at least not nearly as much as the TPG's.
     
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    There is far more to grading a coin than just luster. Is it important ? Yes, but so is everything else. And to ignore everything else is a mistake. Any way you want to look at it.
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 1, 2011
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  15. 213sarah

    213sarah Member

    68+ red
     
    213sarah, Dec 1, 2011
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  16. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    "Ignore" or simply "value less"?

    I suppose my point, admittedly not well articulated, was luster counts more (according to the TPGs) when you get gem and gem+ grades. That, and RLM's photos tend to exaggerate the appearance of ticks and taps.

    Wanna bet PCGS graded it above 65? ;)
     
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  17. swhuck

    swhuck Junior Member

    I can see going as high as 65 for the luster. Those hits are severely limiting IMO.
     
    swhuck, Dec 1, 2011
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not much would surprise me anymore Mike, not when it comes to how the TPGs grade anymore.

    I'll readily agree, and always have, that luster is the single most important grading criteria. But a coin can have the best luster in the world, and if it's got 3 hits the size of those in a prime focal area, plus more besides in other areas, on a coin the size of a cent - it's got no damn business being graded above 64.

    And according to you, grade and value are the same thing. Or as I believe you put it, coins are not graded, they are priced.

    Well buddy, that one's priced wrong if it says anything over 64 on the slab ;)


    edit - and just to remind folks here, never once in all of rlm's threads like this have I ever guessed what the TPG said the coin was. My grades are always what I think the grade ought to be.
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 1, 2011
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  19. JCB1983

    JCB1983 Learning

    66rd
     
    JCB1983, Dec 1, 2011
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  20. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I'm going to go 66 because of the luster and PCGS , great looking coin .
     
    rzage, Dec 1, 2011
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  21. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    MS-67RD...stunning!!
     
    ddoomm1, Dec 1, 2011
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