Got Tired of Trying to Photoshop My Coin Images, So ...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kanga, Dec 14, 2010.

  1. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    ... I decided to do some testing.
    The colors were NOT coming out correct and I'm not good enough with manipulating the images to make them look right.
    I decided to apply the KISS principle on my first test.
    I went from two light sources to one (OTT-LITES).
    And I set the one as overhead as possible.

    WHOA, MAMA!!!
    That simple change corrected most of my color problems.
    I didn't have to do anything to them!
    See here:

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  3. Farstaff

    Farstaff Member

    I also use ott-lite and only used one when doing copper coins. My experiences have been similar to yours. I only copy my pictures with photoscape

    Which ott - lite do you use? I am using the High Definition Natural Lighting.
     

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  4. blu62vette

    blu62vette Member

    Good job!

    Always use the same bulbs when imaging. Different light sources will throw the color way off.
     
  5. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Yep - what OTT lite are you using? I need to get one of those. I will try one lite tonight when I get home see if it helps.
     
  6. Farstaff

    Farstaff Member

    I purchase my ott-lites bulbs up at the Lowes home store for around $6.00 each. Mine are CFL 100 watt replacement.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I think the before pictures look better and has a more natural color. Tthe prongs in the before shot have the proper white color. In the after picture the coin looks to me like something has been done to it. The prongs have an unnatural blue color.
     
  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I have two OTT-LITE's, both with a OTT-LITE TRUECOLOR 13 Watt Tube.
    Here's my setup:
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    Be careful to make sure you get the right bulb/tube.
    There are some that are NOT white (TRUECOLOR); this is from the voice of experience.
     
  9. EyeEatWheaties

    EyeEatWheaties Cent Hoarder

    I tend to agree, however I am betting that the after pics, will sell more/higher!
     
  10. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I think that's more exposure than color cast on the NGC slabs, Conder. If anything, the "after" shots of the PCGS slab look to be more color correct.
     
  11. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    p.s. Kanga, does your camera allow for the setting of a custom white balance? If so, that will likely be your best bet for achieving accurate colors.
     
  12. Farstaff

    Farstaff Member

    kanga,
    Nice setup, what type and model is the camera?
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I like the before pictures in the PCGS better as well. Probably just me. I have a liking for the nice brown color.
     
  14. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Yeh, I can adjust for white balance.
    But I haven't gotten to that level yet.
    I had to get the lighting reasonably correct first.

    The camera body is a Nikon D-90.
    The lens is a AF-S Micro NIKKOR 60mm 1:2.8G ED (Micro is the the term NIKKOR uses for Macro)
    I'm told that the 105mm would have been better BUT the 60mm was pricy enough.
    I need to get another lens for normal touristy type stuff.

    So far for vacations I've been using my old Coolpix 995.
    Easier to handle and does a reasonable job.
    Batteries are the only REAL problem.

    And for those of you who prefer the "Before" images to the "After" images, I can guarantee the the "After" ones are very close to the coins in hand.
    If I were to buy those coins online based upon the "Before" images, I would be VERY quick to file a SNAD.
     
  15. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Really, you don't. That's the beauty of white balance -- it corrects for color cast from imperfect lighting. I would STRONGLY suggest you get a grey card and learn to do it -- your color will INSTANTLY BECOME PERFECT!
     
  16. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    It appears to be not quite that easy.
    I can't let the camera do things in auto-mode.
    It tends to want to focus on the surface of the slab rather than the coin within the slab.
    And because of the f-stop I've set my depth of focus is real tight.
    If I change my f-stop then I've got to play with my shutter speed to accomodate the new setting.

    (What I REALLY need to do is attend a DSLR class and get my basics more firmly established. They're around; I've just got to do it.)
     
  17. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

  18. benveniste

    benveniste Type Type

    I have the 105mm VR, but outside of giving you a little more working distance I doubt you'd see any real difference in a static setup for coin photography.

    Batteries were always a nightmare with the 995, but my main faults with that camera were the shutter lag and the awkwardness of using a real flash. I did a quick comparison between my olde Coolpix 995 and the D200/105mm VR setup earlier this week, using a junk-grade 18th century 1 reale piece as a target. For an ~800 pixel screen photo, the Coolpix did a perfectly reasonable job, and actually did a slightly better job of reproducing the color of the background paper I chose.
     
  19. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Yeh, you pretty well have the 995 nailed.
    The shutter lag really came home on our Antarctic cruise.
    We had a humpback whale playing around the bow of the ship for about a half hour.
    Everytime I found a great picture it was gone by the time the camera went "click".
     
  20. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I reshot my 1806 quarter with my new configuration.
    Found out it doesn't work as well with silver as it does copper.
    Oh well, experimentation continues.
    (Leadfoot, I haven't looked at your sites yet.)

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    This is about the best whale picture I was able to get.
    Good thing he/she stuck around so long.
    Gave me a chance to figure out where he/she would be and anticipate the shot.
    Probably the only way I would have gotten this one.

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  21. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    Nice shot!

    One of my favorite photographers (old school) wrote a book called "The Decisive Moment" by Henri Cartier Bresson and it was about how he accomplished his amazing images.

    Anticipation plays a large part in getting the "better" shot.
     
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