Guess the grade #XX

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#3 1912-D ICG Grade?

Poll closed Sep 2, 2010.
  1. 58

    50.0%
  2. 60

    7.1%
  3. 61

    14.3%
  4. 62

    14.3%
  5. 63

    14.3%
  6. 64

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. 65

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    #3 1912-D ICG slabbed

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    This one will be a minor bit different. Here are 3 1912-D's. The first 2 are graded by PCGS and they will count in the cumulative scores. Plus a third (this one) graded by ICG that will not count, but I would appreciate your grading / opinions. (Please score the ICG with your honest grade, not what you think ICG gave it.) There is at least one of these I think is misgraded, so please add all the comment you can.
     

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  3. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    nicer at a MS-62?
     
  4. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

    That's the first one I've seen in your posts that I don't feel has an argument for MS.. but I'm sure some will... anyway, gut said 55... so will take the 58 slot.
     
  5. Shoewrecky

    Shoewrecky Coin Hoarder

    kinda along the lines as Bahabully's but I was going think MS60 but when I saw the reverse I couldnt. I gave it a 58.
     
  6. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Nice coin! These are tough.

    Early Denver issues can be deceiving due to poor strikes. With the exception of the 1916-D, this holds true up to about 1928. As I recall, the mint workers started putting out better product in Denver for fear of losing their jobs. I think Philly finally started giving the new dies more often too.....as best I can remember.

    Obverse - The high points show evidence of rub (obvious). It was worked its way to the lapel and shoulder. Indications the coin is AU. The dies were non-parallel, you can see the weakness on the right side of the last T and the 2. Some may mistake the 2 as wear, it is not. The scratchiness on the shoulder also indicates the strike weakness, usually excessive die spacing. Also notice the flow lines all the way up the portraits back.

    Reverse - Again, the right side weakness is obvious due to the non-parallel dies. Perhaps contrary to most, the first thing I look at on the reverse of a wheat is the wheat grains and not the wheat heads. It's usually easier for me to see rub on those grains because they are nearly as high as the lines. When the lines are weakly struck it can be difficult to see wear. Also, the sharpness of those grains says a lot about the die age and strike.....I digress. There is a slight rub in the top, left grains. Again, that points to an AU coin, especially to a 7 second grader. The reverse hits I personally believe are due to the mint or general bank processing and not something that happened in circulation.

    Overall - IMO this is an MS coin. I'd call it MS-63. However, I'm pretty certain NGC or PCGS would AU-55/58 this coin. Why do I say MS then? I believe the coin was put away in MS red. Over the years the coin was slightly mishandled as it passed from collector to collector. The browning pattern is indicative of touching the coin and probably some sulfur containing holders. That is what caused the slight rub on the high points and not circulation wear. The coin is too clean to have been out in the wild during it's lifetime. Here's my grade guesses:

    IGC - They were brave: MS-62 to 64 (if they were really bold)
    NGC/PCGS - AU-58
    BadThad - MS-63
     
  7. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Boy ! - You had me all kinds of confused here. I thought you were showing 3 different coins in this 1 thread :eek: Didn't realize what was goin on until I got to the other threads.

    Very weak reverse on this one ! So I'd grade it by the obverse. But even then I'm kind of torn between 50 & 55. That 2nd pic of the obv is misleading, guess I'll go with 55.
     
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

  10. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Out of the three this is the one I like the least - the color just makes it look lifeless to me. No luster at all. I am sorry, but I not give it a 58 because I thought 58's should look nicer and have more luster. :) This is only the second one you posted that I did not like.
     
  11. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    So what's the ICG grade? What do you grade it at Dick?
     
  12. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    The poll does not close until the second. I will post both then.
     
  13. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    I thought it was 3 different at first too lol
     
  14. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    55+2= 57? ... Au58
     
  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

  16. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    This coin is another I am not sure of the grade. On this one, I fully understand the AU's given. I think I would call it MS, but it is a real close call and if it were MS, I would likely go with a 62. However, ICG figured it was a 63.
     

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  17. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Oh yea, it's properly graded IMO. There's hardly a hit on it. I spelled out the reasons already.
     
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