'Poor Quality' Coin Designs Lamented

Check out this link folks. Could Moy's days as director be numbered?

http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=11204

 

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It's more about politics than art. Only time will tell.

Chris

 

And that's what really ruining the designs on coins. Did you see the picture of the army coin in the link? That rendition is a total joke.

 

Rather than cr@p like that, I'd much rather see them use unit patches like Big Red 1, 1st Cav, 82nd Airborne, 7th Cav or the All American. As a matter of fact, I think it would be cool to make a 3-5 coin set featuring each one of these units. Better yet, why don't they start an annual series of commem dollars similar to the SQ's or AtB's that features each one of these unit insignias on a separate dollar coin with a design representative of that unit? It would be sort of like the USMC $ Commem.

Chris

 

Yeah, thats the answer, make more coins with rotating designs!
The mint can't get blanks to make Proof or Unc ASE's and now you want a new dollar series?

That idea sounds like a job for the Franklin Mint or the Marshall Islands NOT the US Mint.

 

Take, for example, the Saint-Gaudens $20 gold piece, Marks said. Meant to
depict a young nation that is strong, he used symbolism rather than multiple
images of people doing tasks.

"Saint-Gaudens gave us an allegorical symbol of Liberty pictured as very strong,
walking toward us as if coming into the future with some powerful allegorical
symbols in her hands. It was that symbolism that made the design great.
What we often see now is the storyboard approach".

Augustus Saint-Gaudens was high on drugs when he designed the $20 gold piece.

The current artists, being government employees, are probably drug-tested now.

 

The dollar commems will continue to be produced by the Mint whether you like it or not. So, if you want to complain about the SAE Program, why don't you suggest to the Mint that they cut back on the production of the Green Monsters and make 50,000 of the Proofs and/or Burnished UNC's with the planchets earmarked for generic American Eagles? By the way, it is the American Eagle Program. The words "Silver", "Gold" and "Platinum" serve as descriptive modifiers (adjectives). So, they should properly be called SAE's, GAE's and PAE's, but you call them what you want and let us get back to discussing the lousy designs that are being used for the dollar commems, and whether or not Moy should continue as Mint Director.

Chris

PS. As far as I'm concerned, Moy should be run out of town on the next Green Monster shipment.

 

Here, here.......

 

I disagree that the mint has great artists right now, for two reasons, one of which is their fault, and another which is not.

#1. Great artists have great creativity. We just aren't seeing the level of creativity from these artists that we had from artists who designed our coinage in the early 20th century. This, to an extent, is tied into my next point...

#2. Great artists have freedom. By putting boundaries on what they can create, we are limiting their ability to create great artwork for our coinage. These restrictions aren't their fault at all, but they have made the decision to take a paycheck over having artistic freedom, and that, to me, prevents them from becoming great artists.

 

Interesting!! I was wondering when this would come up? Innovation and creativity have been missing for quite a few years at the mint and there have been a number or articles written about it. Does it take the CCAC involvement to get to the bottom of whether Moy is at fault? I don't know but where is the 5 ouncer the mint was talking about earlier in the year?


http://www.cointalk.com/t111225/

 

Did there used to be committees deciding on currency designs? There's a lot to be said for advisory councils but they're not the way to produce real greatness.

 

Kinda some good points. You also have to remember that the "artists" employed by the mint aren't usually trained in sculpture, which most of the great coin artists of the past were. They are graphic artists, used to drafting a design aided by computer technology in a one dimensional form. This is why we see such a discrepancy and a lack of, well, everything, when comparing todays coins with yesterday's. These people sit in an office cubicle instead of a studio and are told what to crank out daily by committee. Unfortunately for our coinage, I'm afraid the days of great works by independent and well accomplished sculpture artists has past and will never return. We're doomed to see the flat cartoonish lifeless works we've seen for the past 50 years, because it saves a few dollars.
Guy~

 

When I was in the navy I had a friend who had a passion for LSD. When he was high on this stuff he was the greatest artist in the world, but when he came down from his buzz he couldn't draw a circle. I have no idea what he was seeing, but his skills amazed everyone. With some of the beautiful artwork of the past I wouldn't doubt if they were buzzed up on something...

 

or they could do a series of significant insignias on the coins from different wars america was involved in...

 

sorry im a newbie and i quoted the wrong one... i was referring to a upper reply stating they should use insignia's for the coins... sorry

 

I agree. It may not all be his fault but as the figurehead he should go. :hammer: TC

 

they shoul also change all of the modern designs of circulating coinage. The designs used to display liberty but now they only display dead people...

 

I could careless about the dollar commems. It was your "better yet" suggestion that I was complaining about with good cause.

I wasn't complaining about the SAE program and unfortunately the mint can't cut back on green monster box production, they have to produce them to demand BY LAW.

Thank you for the ASE/SAE lesson professor but I'm not picking up what you are putting down...sorry. You seem to be reading words that aren't on the screen, so I can't really believe your posts....bummer. Good luck with your crusade.

Ofcourse Moy should continue, he is doing a wonderful job despite what a few disgruntled coin bugs think.

Next.

 

I guess I should assume that you earned your law degree at one of those 3-week online schools.

Read 31 USC 5111 (a) (1)

If you need another 3 days to find a dictionary, that's okay, too.

By the way, your cause for complaint about my "better yet" has no basis since the commems I suggested would merely be replacing any other future commems and not be an addition to them.

Chris

 

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/5112.html