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10-30-2005, 07:00 PM
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Alrighty....here is a test
I got this IHC to upgrade my old one....I'm going to be sending this one along with a few other better date coins to ANACS for grading before I sell some of them and keep the better ones...
So give me a grade....I graded it about 2 lower than the guy said.
LIBERTY is bold and can been seen with just an eye....I didn't even use my 10x....
Also give me what you think is the value....
Speedy
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10-30-2005, 07:08 PM
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Hi,
Just a hair under VF-20 and definitely cleaned.
Have Fun,
Bill
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10-30-2005, 07:08 PM
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well speedy I cant give you a grade, but I can wish you luck and say that is the most beautiful IHC ive ever seen unless it was cleaned
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10-30-2005, 07:09 PM
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VF-30
Bone
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10-30-2005, 08:37 PM
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Just a hair under VF-20 and definitely cleaned.
| Would you point out the cleaning???
Most of the time I'm hard on coins that I think have been cleaned and no one else does....but I don't see it on here...there are no hairlines or markings that would indicated it...
If you mean the little bit of dirt in the S and 908...it doesn't look like that in real life...its more of a dirt that is found when a coin is circulated..
Now I'm in no means saying that you are wrong...I am more than likely but I just don't see it on here...can you show me?
Thanks guys...I'll post the grade he said and what I said latter after a few more guesses
Speedy
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10-30-2005, 08:42 PM
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I would say F-12. The TY in LIBERTY looks alittle weak and there seems to be a fair amount of wear on the diamonds. Still a nice Key coin.
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10-30-2005, 08:45 PM
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Speedy, I think they are saying cleaned because of the color, it looks orange, which is a sign of cleaning. It might just be the pics |
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10-30-2005, 09:23 PM
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Since school is tomorrow I might not have time so I'll post the grade...
The guy said XF...I said F-15....he gave me a % off so I didn't pay much....my last 08S was VG8 so this was a nice upgrade.
I think by market grading this coin would get VF...and that is what I think ANACS will put but I still hold on my F15.
Speedy
Becky....I'll take a look but I think the color was more of the photo than the coin....oh well...I may have a cleaned coin...its not the first time
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10-30-2005, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedy Since school is tomorrow I might not have time so I'll post the grade...
The guy said XF...I said F-15....he gave me a % off so I didn't pay much....my last 08S was VG8 so this was a nice upgrade.
I think by market grading this coin would get VF...and that is what I think ANACS will put but I still hold on my F15.
Speedy
Becky....I'll take a look but I think the color was more of the photo than the coin....oh well...I may have a cleaned coin...its not the first time  | I think it was dipped due to the darkness around the lettering especially in the date.
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10-30-2005, 10:40 PM
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Hi,
It's kinda simple. If there is dirt inside the digits of the date, there should likely be dirt between the denticles around the rim. Since the denticles are practically clean and there is no evidence of a natural toning combined with the residue of dirt in the numerals, the coin has been cleaned. In this case, it's not so much what you do see that tells me the coin was cleaned, it's what you don't see. After you've seen thousands of uncleaned coins, it is easy to pick out the ones that are. This coin is very unnatural in it's appearance. You can clean a coin with a paste of baking soda and never leave a hairline on it.
Haver Fun,
Bill
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10-30-2005, 11:56 PM
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I'd go along with F15. But if it looks that color in hand, I gotta say I think it's been cleaned too. An IHC with that much wear should be a nice, even brown in color.
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10-31-2005, 07:30 AM
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It's kinda simple. If there is dirt inside the digits of the date, there should likely be dirt between the denticles around the rim. Since the denticles are practically clean and there is no evidence of a natural toning combined with the residue of dirt in the numerals, the coin has been cleaned. In this case, it's not so much what you do see that tells me the coin was cleaned, it's what you don't see. After you've seen thousands of uncleaned coins, it is easy to pick out the ones that are. This coin is very unnatural in it's appearance. You can clean a coin with a paste of baking soda and never leave a hairline on it.
| Thanks Bill....well...maybe I messed up this time but at least I'll have a good coin I can trade or something... Quote: |
I'd go along with F15. But if it looks that color in hand, I gotta say I think it's been cleaned too. An IHC with that much wear should be a nice, even brown in color.
| Thanks GDJMSP
Speedy
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10-31-2005, 01:29 PM
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I have a late lunch today....
I took it into a dealer today and he said that he thinks it is the photo....he said that it is more darker brown in real life...he offered to buy it at $85 but I didn't think that was too good of a price.
He graded it VF....does anybody have a good Gray Sheet around...I gave $105 for it and that was less than what he was asking by about $10-$15
It still may be cleaned....and I guess I'll find out for sure when it comes back from ANACS...I hope to send it there by the end of the year.
Speedy
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10-31-2005, 02:42 PM
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Speedy:
So what if it's been cleaned!
Personally, I don't collect coins to sell them, I collect them to VIEW them and think about their history. I'm certain this coin could tell you many things if it could talk.
If it's been cleaned, it will possess a few hairline scratches that it wouldn't otherwise have, but no big deal! It's still the same coin - cleaned or not cleaned.
I understand not cleaning extremely high-priced coins like a 1913 Liberty Nickel or a 1933 St. Gaudens. It's best to preserve these extreme rarities for posterity.
However, if you want to clean a few old coins in order to remove dirt, germs, filth, body oil, saliva and god-only-knows what other body fluids, I say do it.
To me, a cleaned coin is simply that: A cleaned coin.
Everyone seems so hung up on cleaned coins these days, I would certainly tell the purchasers of your coins that they've been cleaned. But, if you're going to keep them forever and enjoy their beauty, why not clean them? If you're worried about the value for your surviving generations, let them start their own collections...
My most valuable coin is an 1847 Large Head Cent passed down to me from my grandfather. It's collector value is worth about $10 because it's very worn and who knows how many times it's been cleaned. But, that's not the point. I may even clean it again... it's not going anywhere but in my collection anyway.
So, I say enjoy your 1908-S Indian Head. If it's been cleaned, who cares? It's still a neat coin and one I would like to have in my collection.
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10-31-2005, 04:22 PM
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I will say VF-30.
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