benk1234

Hello,
I recently purchased this coin and it is certified by ANACS as an AU 50 coin. I tried to get a good pic of the date but it is difficult to do through the plastic due to glares. I was just wondering what the value of the coin is. Any help would be appreciated.
Thankks,
Ben

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foundinrolls

Hi,
This is not the same one listed in the cherrypickers' guide, so I cant give you a ball park on it. Does the ANACS slab offer an attribution or did you just get lucky and find that in the slab that way?
Have Fun,
Bill

Daggarjon

dont mean to beat a dead dog, but the picture, to me, looks like a strike doubling(SD) error to me. What makes it a repunched date instead? and if it is not a SD error then when in the us mints minting years did SD errors start as opposed to repunched dates? I only ask, because all the modern coins i see that look like the above picture are all SD errors.

foundinrolls

Hi,
Strike doubling damages the lettering or numerals and it is easy to see the damage under high magnification. The metal is scraped around in a way that appears like doubling.
If you look at the pic of this IHC, the numerals are complete and undamaged. The underlying numerals are in the correct position relative to the primary date to have been puched into the die in a different position than the primary date.
Admittedly it does take a while to learn the differences and characteristics of Repunched dates and Doubled Dies but the 1891 coin pictured is definitely a Repunched date.

There is more than I can explain in this forum that pertains to the dating of coins. On todays coins, they are a part of the die. In the past, they used punches for single numerals, pairs of numerals and things called "gang punches" for entire dates. I Believe, but I could be mistaken that IH cents used "gang punches" with the entire date on it. The dates were added to the dies and took more than one blow to add the date to the die. That's how repunched dates occurred.
Have Fun,
Bill
PS: Take a look at MORGANs avatar, it is a classic example of the damage seen on mechanically doubled coins.

benk1234

Thanks for all the info. THe label says AU 50 1891 1C Repunched Date. I am pretty new to the error coin searching, but I have found several repunched MM, some BIE errors, and several mecahanical doubling coins.
Thanks again,
Ben

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GDJMSP

Another clue to tell mechanical doubling from a doubled die, an RPM or an RPD - with mechanical doubling there is a flat shelf like appearance and the edge of the shelf of the underlying letter or numeral will be sharp. With the others there is a rounded edge on underlying letter or numeral.

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B12

Around $40 No less than $25. B12

benk1234

Thanks for all the info.
Ben

justafarmer

I am no expert and certainly know less about coins than the folks at ANACS but the coin doesn't look to be repunched to me. The doubling on the "8", "9" and "1" appear to uniform and even to have been fixed by hand with punches. I would have bet double die and lost on this one.

Conder101

Justafarmer, on a pre 1909 US coin never use the date to decide if a coin is a doubled die. Before 1909 the date was added by hand so you can have a doubled die with no doubling on the date at all, or a doubled date on a coin that is not from a doubled die.

And the dates on the Indianhead cents was added by a four digit "gang punch" also known as a logotype punch. About the only time when a two digit logotype punch was used was around 1840, and then only on a few dies. Before that it was individual punches, 1840 and later it was logotype punches (with very few exceptions) until 1909 when they started putting the date on the master hub.

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