The results of my ebay coin

could you tell me what I said that is not true? I know I do not profess to know everything about coins and still like to learn more .

 

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Chris, the die transfer concept is interesting, but can it possibly create such a deep and sharp impression through another planchet? I would think it may produce a vague image at best.

Ask any machinist, they'll give you the scoop.

 

I don't know because I've never seen an example of one, but it does lend plausibility to why there are no clashes elsewhere.

Chris

 

Folks coin dies does not create impressions on coins thru planchets. the designs from coin dies are placed directly on the planchet from direct contact with the coin dies. The OBV. die creates the obverse side of the coin and the REV. die creates the reverse side of the coin. the hammer die comes down and presses the planchet into the design of the reverse die while at the same time the planchet metal is pressed into the OBV. die. where are all the pros. at ? I need help with trying to explain this for some folks that appears they may be intersted in coins.

 

Okay, this is where I have to draw the line, rascal. So, now you're telling us that you're a professional metallurgist and physicist, and that Alan Herbert doesn't know what he is talking about. Aren't you doing just what you have complained about others doing? I've tried to listen and consider all possibilities, but now you're telling us that you're the only pro around here and the rest of us are poor novices. I'm done with this thread!

Chris

 

Well I learned something.

 

Many many genuine errors have defects on both sides... below is an example I found in less then a minute on EBay. Is this post mint damage? Definitely not.



And another...


Are their cases where genuine errors are one sided... sure.

But to make the statement "damage on one side and you look at the other side and it is damaged also then you can rest assured in most cases it is post mint damage" This simply isn't true.

Just as much at the statement "If you find a unusal looking coin on one side and the other side is absolutely undamaged this means that the coin was mostlikely still resting on a die then you may have found a real mint made error coin" Isn't true nearly enough times to make that statement either.

I have seen a hundred vice jobs like DT made earlier in this thread that were definitely man made with absolutely NO defect on the opposing side.

 

Ya lost me. Are you saying that the coins below is "Post Mint Damage" (PMD)?







I think that "blanket" statements should be avoided when defining US Mint errors.

 

Chris I really hate to see you leave my thread.Like I told you earlier I think that you do know something about coins but still it will help us all to learn more. Mr. Herbert knew a lot about coins and his books have helped many people that was interested in error or variety coins to learn faster. back a long time ago all I had to learn from was replys thru snail mail and a few old books. All of us are only human and no one that I know is some kind of a God.

You probably misinterpreted Mr. Herbert's words . I don't know how old you are and it appears that there is a difference in the meaning of my generation's words and how the newer generation talks. I think I may be able to explain to you how I interpreted what Alan said. I believe when he wrote these words SAYING THRU THE PLANCHET he was describing how the dies are in a cone shape and the center part of the die reaches the planchet first then pushes into the planchet and he said THRU which to him may have had the same meaning as pushed into.

Anyone that collects error coins will have a disagrement from time to time and as adults surely we can overlook a few things and let bygones be bygones.

 

No I'm not saying your coin is PMD , it is a clashed die coin . there is a big difference between a damage coin and a mint error. when I was referring to a damaged coin I was talking about like say if you piched up a rock and smashed a coin or maybe lay it down on the railroad tracks. on your coin it was still in the dies when this happened. I only consider post mint things as damage.

 

Herbert meant exactly what he said, a transfer of the design through a planchet to the other die over a life time of hundreds of thousands of strikes. The result is referred to as "Ghosting"

Correct the image is basically a vague outline of the design from the other side.

Chris you say you have never seen one, try looking at British or Australian big pennies from the 1920's to 1950's. The George V pennies are well known for showing ghosting. As a general rule it tends to happen most often with large diameter thin coins. the larger diameter requires higher striking pressure, and the thin planchet facilitates the design transfer.

Here is an example of ghosting on a british penny. You can see the ghosting of George V's bust on the reverse.

 

You might have not understood what I wrote or maybe just didn't want to.IMO there is as much difference in what i said " damage" and a "defect on a mint made coin" as light and day. I only consider something like say a coin that has been hit by someone or just got banged into something really hard after it left the mint as "damage" So I do not think I was lying about what I wrote in my post.

now I will address what you said about DT's homemade coin. even if someone was able to do a hammer job with absolutely no tiny marks at all on the other side of the coin it still is easy to recognise them . I'm not getting into how to recognise them because this is on a public forum . have a very nice day . Troy

 

Thanks very much Condor for helping us to see the light about what Alan was talking about and I totally agree with you and I have to admit the rest of us was wrong and you are right . what I failed to do was to stop and read the title of what he was talking about. He was talking about worn out dies. I was thinking he was talking about how coins are made. If I had read the title I would have known better than say what I did,I'm sorry if I confused anyone because I got confused .