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Old 09-24-2008, 11:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How many gold Swiss Francs graded?!?!

I am new to collecting. I am anxious to find out where I can get the statistics on how many Swiss 10 Francs and Swiss 20 Francs (both gold) have been graded. I realize that reflects on their value but I don't know what the magical list is even called? Or what to search for? AKK! Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Or any other suggestions on collecting the Swiss coins. Thanks
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It's called a Population Report but I haven't a clue where to find it for the bullion coin in question?

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Old 09-25-2008, 12:20 AM   #3 (permalink)
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just from pcgs bullion coin

886928 1873 20 Fr 3 Punkt MS 1 1 2
886941 1883 20 Fr MS 2 1 10 14 8 35
886942 1886 20 Fr MS 1 5 6 6 1 1 20
886943 1888 B 20 Fr MS 1 1
886944 1889 B 20 Fr MS 1 1 2
886945 1890 B 20 Fr MS 1 2 2 7 12
886946 1891 B 20 Fr MS 1 1 2 1 5
886947 1892 B 20 Fr MS 1 3 3 1 8
886948 1893 B 20 Fr MS 3 9 3 15
886949 1894 B 20 Fr MS 2 1 3
886950 1895 B 20 Fr MS 2 1 3 2 2 1 11
886951 1896 B 20 Fr MS 4 3 3 13 7 4 34
886968 1897 B 20 Fr MS 5 9 1 15
886969 1898 B 20 Fr MS 1 10 38 11 2 62
886970 1899 B 20 Fr MS 2 5 4 11
886971 1900 B 20 Fr MS 1 1 1 3 1 7
886972 1901 B 20 Fr MS 1 1 2
886973 1902 B 20 Fr MS 2 1 1 4
PCGS No Date Den Variety Desig VG F VF 40 45 50 53 55 58 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 Total Graded
(All grades)
886975 1904 B 20 Fr MS 1 1
886976 1905 B 20 Fr MS 1 1 2
886977 1906 B 20 Fr MS 1 1 4 2 8
886978 1907 B 20 Fr MS 1 3 1 1 6
886979 1908 B 20 Fr MS 3 1 4
886980 1909 B 20 Fr MS 4 1 2 7
886981 1910 B 20 Fr MS 2 2 5 2 11
886982 1911 B 20 Fr MS 2 3 3 2 10
886983 1912 B 20 Fr MS 1 2 3 2 8
886984 1913 B 20 Fr MS 1 1 5 15 16 38
886985 1914 B 20 Fr MS 1 2 3 25 21 52
886986 1915 B 20 Fr MS 1 6 26 32 26 1 92
886987 1916 B 20 Fr MS 2 3 9 6 20
886988 1922 B 20 Fr MS 3 5 34 21 2 65
886989 1925 B 20 Fr MS 1 1 4 11 7 24
886990 1926 B 20 Fr MS 3 16 8 3 1 31
886991 1927 B 20 Fr MS 1 3 19 63 87 173
886992 1930 B 20 Fr MS 1 2 18 55 59 3 138
886993 1935 B 20 Fr MS 1 4 5 1 11
886994 1935 LB 20 Fr MS 2 26 236 195 41 2 502
886995 1947-B 20 Fr MS 3 17 107 104 27 2 260
886996 1949 B 20 Fr MS 4 41 152 79 10 286
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Thank you very much Handsome Toad. At least now I know where to start

Spock1K, thanks so much for that information. I'll decipher it with my super secret decoder ring in the morning when I'm coherent LOL But I think I get the idea going on there. Maybe the number of each grade. Thank you so much for taking the time to post it
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Thank you very much Handsome Toad. At least now I know where to start

Spock1K, thanks so much for that information. I'll decipher it with my super secret decoder ring in the morning when I'm coherent LOL But I think I get the idea going on there. Maybe the number of each grade. Thank you so much for taking the time to post it
it loses the formatting but there are tons of coins out there so most of them are just bullion
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:36 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Francly(sorry for the pun) a lot of the earlier coins are not graded because they are usually held by collectors in Europe. The earlier Helvetia coins are not collected as avidly in N. America as they are in Europe, and they tend to have a premium value to collectors that is in excess over melt value:



The later "Swiss Miss" coins especially the 1935 and 1940's coins are defined as bullion because they were not created for coinage like this one:



These earlier coins are usually numismatic, especially in high grade, and are not traded like bullion and largely not going to N. America to be graded. These two examples went to N. America to be loved and adored by their Master's Golden Lovelies Harem.
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Thank you Thank you :)

I sincerely appreciate all of your help. The list, Spock, makes a lot more sense today. I get that the number at the end is the total number graded. Is there a link to that?

And thank you for the images Scottishmoney I have both versions, from the first year through the last. I'm trying to collect as complete of a set as I can. I have a complete set of the 10 franc coins. I love them all

Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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I found the population list! Yayyy!
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In collecting these, I would recommend going with the earlier and overlooked Helvetias from the 19th century and the Swiss Misses of the early 20th century and avoiding the restruck 1935 and 1940's coins. It is possible to find nice, even very nice examples of these coins at not much over melt, and they have far more appeal than restruck coins.
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I sincerely appreciate all of your help. The list, Spock, makes a lot more sense today. I get that the number at the end is the total number graded. Is there a link to that?

And thank you for the images Scottishmoney I have both versions, from the first year through the last. I'm trying to collect as complete of a set as I can. I have a complete set of the 10 franc coins. I love them all

Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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