What is this. Been staring at under microscope for a while.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Bernard Macarius, Nov 22, 2022.

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  2. Kurisu

    Kurisu Supporter! Supporter

    First thought is a touch of mechanical doubling and or die wear...?
    Seeing the whole coin would be more helpful.
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  3. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Mechanical doubling or die deterioration I believe. True doubling would show the top of the "L" you show with a similar amount of doubling . A full coin photo would help in deciding which one, but neither is any bonus. IMO, Jim
  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Please show full images of the coin .Thanks!
  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Definitely Die Deterioration Doubling as the doubling wraps around A few of the devices.
  6. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    I believe you are seeing die deterioration also. As the die becomes used, the edges of the design wear away, allowing metal to spread and appear to be doubled. NAV, no added value.
  7. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Flat shelf like, no notches on the "corners"...
  8. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    The way to be sure about machine doubling versus die doubling is to determine whether the devices are larger (die doubling) than they should be, or smaller (machine doubling). In the case above, the high points of the devices are reduced in size versus normal. The die has hit against the devices and smashed them a bit, leaving a flat area on part of them, and a bit of raised area on the rest. This is classic machine doubling.

    For die doubling, the first hubbing makes a normal size device, while the second hubbing, since it offset from the first, makes the devices larger than normal. Some folks look for "notches" between the two device hubbings, but you don't always see these and they are not a requirement for attributing a doubled die.
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  9. Thanks to everyone who responded. Great community. I have to give up looking. Spent too much time to find coins I might sell for a dollar or 2. But last 15 years has been interesting.
  10. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    looks like Die Deterioration.
    wonder why everyone always asks for the FULL coin ... becz being microscopic makes one look all day long when the answer is the whole thing.

    remember when a die wears (which starts as soon as it gets used) the edges of the devices (crevices of the letters, etc) start to wear / chip / break off microscopically. This widens them based on the metal flow of the planchet. That's why you'll see shallow looking though wide upper parts of letters which are near the rim like the "C" and "A".
    but it happens all around it, which is why looking at the entire coin is a much better clue than a small portion of it.
  11. rmpsrpms

    rmpsrpms Lincoln Maniac

    I don't think so. I think the reason folks ask for the whole coin is just to be contrary. If the poster shows the full coin, then people say that they need to show more details. If they show fuzzy closeups, they say show clear closeups. If they show good closeups like @Bernard Macarius did here, then folks come back around and ask for the full coin images, which will do absolutely nothing to help identify the error or variety.
  12. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Personally, I like to see the entire coin.

    If one has a good clear full image, one can zoom in to see different areas around the coin. Maybe provide examples around the coin too of DieDeterioration etc. but YMMV
    some do, some don't .. people like different things for analysis.
    but the less one offers, the less there is for analysis.
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