Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Tigermoth1, Sep 3, 2021.
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There's something about it that just doesn't quite look right to me.
I can't definitively say it's bad. It just has the look of a cast piece to me.
Is there a seam around the edge?
And what's that incuse "H" or upside-down "R" beneath the figure on the reverse?
I'll defer to those more knowledgeable here. Let's just say I'm suspicious, but could be mistaken.
I do not have good news for you I am afraid.
First glance at the coin would indicate that it is a cast fake. At a second glance the eye is drawn to the impressed mark at the bottom of the reverse, which looks like an R, which is often used to indicate a Replica.
A few minutes looking through a fakes database lead me to believe that it is a cast of this known modern fake.
If you're still interested in a genuine and relatively inexpensive sestertius of Vespasian please PM me. I know of one that is quite suitable.
Sestertii were made of an alloy similar to brass known as orichalcum, not bronze.
Indeed. A brassy, yellowish color is not so unusual on a sestertius, so that detail alone would not necessarily be a red flag.
The softness of the details and lettering, on the other hand- highly indicative of a cast rather than struck piece (not to mention that incuse little “R” or whatever it is)- those rang my warning bells.
Below: an authentic sestertius of Antoninus Pius, showing the yellowish color of the orichalcum alloy. Note that while this is a well worn coin in modest grade, the details are still better defined and the lettering is crisper than on the cast fake above (now that we seem to have confirmed my suspicions that that’s indeed what it is.)
@Tigermoth1 welcome to the ancient world!
Please do not be discouraged about this. This chapter of numismatics offers a lot of joy and fun and there are numerous genuine ancient coins on the market - beautiful, artistic, with historical importance...
When seeing the coin, I also had a feeling that something is wrong but unfortunately this part - noticing fake coins - is also my weak spot, getting better with time, but still I am not content. So I waited for the experienced collectors to express their opinions.
@Tigermoth1 - you did the right thing by asking here first, before taking the plunge. I’d recommend you buy your first ancient from an established dealer, such as the ones on the VCoins site, or FORVM, or CNG, for example. (I’d steer clear of eBay and local sales and flea markets and such, at least initially.)
Edited to add: by all means, I do hope you take that first step, with reasonable caution. It’s a wonderful area of numismatics. Be cautious, but not discouraged. The learning curve with ancients can be steep, but is quite rewarding and educational. (We’re ALL still learning- all the time.)
Seriously, there are plenty of affordable authentic pieces out there. I would agree with previous posts that it's better to buy from trustworthy dealers (or Flavian experts like @David Atherton).
@Tigermoth1 - If you (or anyone else) would like an Ancient Greek or Roman coin at a price that can’t be beat ($0.00 + free shipping!), then come enter and win Prize A in my Giveaway #58!
Guys, you're WONDERFUL! Thank you for all your guidance. YES, I bought the lot; the COIN in question was part of a lot at auction, and I GOT IT! Whether it's a REPLICANT does not matter. Here's the rest of the LOT in question; paid $40 plus shipping.
So now I own two REPLICANTS; one by a KNOWN artist, and the other by an UNKOWN!
as long as you're happy with them....
That's the COIN that was copied! EXTRAORDINAY, thank you for posting a picture of it. NOW, have you the story behind it?
This one turned out to be what is called a "pressed" fake, which emulates the look of a struck coin (not cast), but has a bunch of tells (not the least the extra-smooth fields) that indicate it's a forgery.
I love those NEP RED reverses, and they're usually not very cheap. I ended up getting a very genuine Gallienus version, with different reverse legend.
If real, the value would probably be about $100, I would imagine. It's not real, so the value is much closer to a buck or two.
Hi - I was posting a coin with bronze highlights. The one I posted is RIC II, part I (2nd edition) 894 Which is an As. I don’t think the two are meant to be the same issue.
No legible legend, OBVERSE presents a young man's bust, facing right and laureate; the REVERSE features two figures facing and exchanging or presenting something to each other, LAURELs?; I'm guessing the metal is copper or brass, but there's a break at 6 o'clock on the reverse that has a silver sheen.
What is it?
Would appreciate any and all input on this background story.
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