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Love those first year 20 franc angels myself as well. It's amazing that a coin that fine was never slabbed. I was wondering what would you consider the first orginal angel coin, the Louis d'or 1792 or the 24 livres coin of the first republic of 1793?
If anyone reading this doesn't know already, I collect the 20 gold francs of 1802 - 1914. However, my collection is just slightly below GD's, well maybe a bit more then slightly. But at least we know that we will never be bidding against each other

 

WOWEE!!
The 20 Francs literally took my breath away! I've never been drawn to gold before but those beauties are spectacular. I've always had a weakness for angels and considered pursuing coins with them in the design but I think I'll have to give up that idea because they would all pale in comparison.
Truly stunning GD...hat's off to ya

 

OK, Im going to go cry and sulk in the corner now LOL!!! Gorgeous coins!!!

 

Fantastic! I loved... LOVED... the 8 reales - you know how to pick them! beautiful piece.

I've seen you post a ducaton before, after the last one you posted, I have been searching - I can't find anything close to that quality, and there now you have at least two.

When I go to vegas, I'm lucky if I have enough money left over to get back home... let alone bring anything back.

that 8 reales is absolutely stunning.

 

Gosh darn it GD...ya had to go and tell me that! Do you have any idea how many of those buggers I was drooling over last night on ebay? Good thing I don't know or trust any of the sellers or I would have gone hog wild . Looks like another addition to my 'want list' for the next local show.

Ya know, my hubby is not going to be too pleased with you for introducing me to gold. Up until now I think he felt like he dodged the bullet on that one...he was very happy that I was content with silver...until now...

 

GDJMSP,your Dutch silver Rider is from Utrecht.All the Dutch provinces issued coins with a similar design,but differing slightly in the legends & the Coats-of-Arms.

I afraid to say this about your 1868A silver 5 Francs
of Emperor Napoleon III.It looks slightly stained on the reverse,but the design of the coin itself is very pleasing.

As to the French Angel coins,it was the gold 1 Louis
D'Or of 1792 that was the first to bear this design.
These coins of King Louis XVI were also struck in 1793 as well.

Aidan.

 

Gosh GD, you make it sound sooo easy...LOL. Something tells me it will take a whole lot more than that to convince him that this is a good idea. But that's OK, I'm up to the task

 

"As to the French Angel coins,it was the gold 1 Louis
D'Or of 1792 that was the first to bear this design.",Aidan

Aidan thank you for your answer and I appreciate your thought on my question but is it a Louis D'Or coin or is it an angel coin. I was thinking that even if the 1792 D'Or had an Angel on the reverse it should not be considered an Angel coin for the Angel was a secondary aspect to the design of the coin whereas the 24 livres coin of the first republic of 1793 was the first coin, as far as I know, to have the angel on the observe which would make the angel the primary design of the coin and in my mind the first angel coin. That is just what I thought and I was wondering what GD and the standard line in the coin community was on this one.

JoesMom, be careful with your proposed venture into the world of gold. My plans were first to collect the 20 franc Napoleons and now here I am assembling a collection of every 20 franc gold coin design, not every coin thru, from 1802 to 1914. 13 down and I believe 6 more to go counting the last 100 days 1815 coin.

 

Personally, I think that a person could gather a nice collection of French coins with the angel design or variations of it. Of course the 100 gold francs make this a non-collection for me.

I remember as a student hearing the story of Napoleon carrying a gold angel coin in his pocket for good luck. I was always curious of the facts behind the story and which coin it was.

GD, I have noticed a few other 1848 angels on the market. This is after 2 years of not seeing any. One was on e-bay last night. However, the ones that I am seeing appear to be low grade coins with the exception of your two beauties. Not only do you have the eye, the resources, the background knowledge but you seem to be a good detective as well with finding those "angels".

My white cotton gloves are off to you and I wave you a salute.

 

The coins of King Louis XVI which have the angel design are from a series known as the 'Constitutional' series.There is also a coin of King Louis XVII,which also has this design,but interestingly,it also has the legend 'REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE' on the reverse.

GDJMSP,if you are looking for the mintmark on the reverse of the coins of Emperor Napoleon III,then you are looking in the wrong place.The mintmark is
on the obverse below the truncation towards the back of the portrait.

Aidan.

 

GDJMSP,please take a look at your 18th Century Krause & turn to the 'Pretender Issues' section.You will see a coin in the name of King Louis XVII.This also is a very attractive coin.

 

GDJMSP,it is in a section between the old currency coins of the 1st Republic & the decimal coins.The piece in question is a 12 Deniers,I think.

Aidan.