Translating the wording on a Dutch 1608 Lion Dollar

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  1. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I know that this coin falls on the borderline as to weather it should be posted here or in the ancient section, but I decided to start here.

    I have had this Lion Dollar for a number of years. I decided to write an article on it. This piece does have a U.S. connection because they circulated here from the 1600s to the first half of the 1700s. Some of the colonial governments gave them an official exchange value. New York even mentioned them on their paper money in 1709.

    1608 Dutch Lion Dol O.jpg

    Reverse: CONFIDENS. DNO. NON. MOVETVR. Translation: He who trusts the Lord is not moved. (Date) 1608.

    The other side is giving me trouble.

    1608 Dutch Lion Dol R.jpg

    Obverse: Mo. ARG. PRO. CONFOE. BELG. TRAN. Full wording: MONTETA ARGENTEA PROVINCIARUM CONFOEDERATUM BELGICARUM TRAN (?) Translation: Silver money of the Province of the Netherlands Confederation Tran?

    What is "Tran" in the Netherlands? I have not been able to track this one on the Internet.
     
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  3. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

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  4. bart

    bart Senior Member

    It is indeed Transisulania, the Latin name of the province of Overijssel.
     
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  5. johnmilton

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  6. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    Hmm. Perhaps I've missed something but not really. At least not to me. This coin was minted over 1100 years after what most historians consider to be the end of the ancient era/classical antiquity and over 100 years from the end of the Medieval Period/Middle Ages. Essentially, even though it is over 400 years old it is modern.
     
  7. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I have no idea where a hammered English coin from circa 1166 to 1500 should go. When I first came here, I was informed that they went in the ancient section. Now someone else says different. It’s both confusing and aggravating.
     
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