So instead of addressing the topic the Admin/Mods move the post. Real mature!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Restitutor, May 22, 2022.

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  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    In your opinion. Not trying to be rude, do you know the poster?
    Have you asked him his intentions?
     
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  3. Herodotus

    Herodotus Well-Known Member

    There is no semantics to be discussed, and there is no "getting over it".

    The Confederate Battle Flag is a divisive political symbol.

    Get it? Got it? Good.

    Much in the way that black-faced minstrel shows, the portrayals of "Sambo" and "Mammy" may have at one time been thought of acceptable as harmless stereotyping... Much how separate drinking fountains, washrooms and bus seats have gone into the dustbins of history, society has evolved to recognize that such racist symbols of the past are no longer to be socially accepted in public life.

    Even I grew up watching the General Lee jumping over creeks getting chased by Cletus and Enos. As a young kid, I had no idea what the flag meant. For all I knew it was "Just'a good ol' boys having fun, never meanin' no harm". Uncle Remus and the Tar Baby sang: "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah"

    That is no longer the case in the modern era; as those whose voice has historically been marginalized have demanded that their voice be heard on such things. Little did I know as a kid that the star of "Song of the South" James Baskett wasn't even allowed to attend the premier due to it being held in a segregated theater.

    Even the three U.S. states that used to display the CBF in their state flag have held referendums to remove it -- Mississippi as recently as last year.

    It is no longer even allowed at NASCAR etc. etc. etc.

    It's easy to be in the dominant paradigm and neglect to acknowledge that among a large proportion of our country it is viewed as a hate symbol; displayed with the intent to sew division and intimidate. One ought to remember that the U.S. Civil War was not only fought over state's rights, it was fought over the primary issue of slavery.

    Want to fly the flag on one's own truck or on one's own private property? Go right head. One has the right to do so. However, expect to draw unwanted(or in all likelihood, desired) attention for it.

    Change may be a tough pill to swallow for the old racists entrenched in their ways, but modern society will continue to move forward and disallow such symbols of division safe harbor. They will continue to be challenged and stripped from the public forum.

    Is Coin Talk (as a private forum) one that allows political symbols of hate?
     
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  4. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I've read his posts.
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I will politely pass on Herodit's post.
    @DonnaML I have read most threads on here besides the ones that get into depth like this.
    A good teacher helps the kiddo thru his bad mistakes, they don't berate the student enough to turn them from their mistakes.
    They encourage the student to make good choices, only then do you get anything accomplished.
     
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  6. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Perfect comment. Thank you! I hate that things have reached the point on Cointalk that I feel a need to say this, but I urge you to capture a screenshot of it before it's deleted.

    Phil Davis
     
  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    And you and your legions of "Snowflake ilk" have helped tear down one of the greatest countries the world has known! I'm not offended by any symbol used by anyone in history. I'm not offended by any of the horrible things done by anyone, any faith, any institution, any group, or any country. History is what it is - I was not there; yet IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW, LEARN, AND TEACH about those things rather than feeding into the crybaby notions of weak souls brainwashed by our enemies. Now the loonies are trying to erase George Washington.

    BTW You think of hate, I think of GOOD LUCK! Additionally. I think every flag of the CSA was beautiful although our ancestors fought a war to stamp out their ideas. Get over it you bunch of...
     
  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    PS If I take over the education system of any country and start teaching young kids anything, I can tear down a country. The proof is all around us.
     
  9. Ignoramus Maximus

    Ignoramus Maximus Nomen non est omen.

    I am truly sad that Restitutor is gone. I liked him.
    That makes two valued members in one week.
    Onward with The Great Purges...

    Best of luck, Restitutor, and I hope you'll soon find another forum to share your coins!:)

    And of course a restitution issue for Restitutor:
    Augustus sestertius, restoration type under Nerva..jpg
     
  10. Herodotus

    Herodotus Well-Known Member

    The simple fact that the avatar in question has created such a rift here, is evidence that it is a controversial one. It is an embodiment of the antithesis of the T&Cs that everyone agreed to when they signed up to become a member of the site.


    You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, spam or spam-like, likely to offend, contains adult or objectionable content, contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws.
     
  11. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I’m a southern boy. And all I gotta say…. Dang, y’all. Get a grip before we lose more good members please.
     
  12. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Now we are all gonna need some sensitivity training..
    It's a real thing.. Really.
    Most us old boys grew up with sticks and stones.

    Get over it was a steady part of life when I was younger than 5.
     
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  13. Herodotus

    Herodotus Well-Known Member

    Nope.

    Not going to "get over it".
     
  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Here, educate yourselves, minds are terrible things to waste: https://law.justia.com/cases/illinois/supreme-court/1978/49769-6.html. A little preview, for those of you on the go...

    The display of the swastika, as offensive to the principles of a free nation as the memories it recalls may be, is symbolic political speech intended to convey to the public the beliefs of those who display it. It does not, in our opinion, fall within the definition of "fighting words," and that doctrine cannot be used here to overcome the heavy presumption against the constitutional validity of a prior restraint. Village of Skokie v. National Socialist Party of America, 69 Ill. 2d 605, 615 (1978).

    Now cut it out, stop it. And thank you for your cooperation.
     
  15. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    You're talking to the "woke", they have the critical reasoning skills of toddlers, they lash out with rage at things they've been taught are bad, and are 100% convinced of their own moral superiority. You might as well be talking to a wall.
     
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    No one even Herodotus is beyond scrutiny,
    Again where does this time in our history end and we all learn from the mistakes. It sure as hell doesn't happen from censuring it, It's obvious that we all need to heal from the untruths we have been told.
    Thats not just as a nation but as a whole.
     
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  17. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    Am I the only one here who is still interested in ancient coins?

    For those who keep posting these threads, please know that regardless of which side you are on, all I want to do is respect your knowledge of the hobby and learn from and enjoy your posts about ancient coins. This sort of behavior is making that pretty hard. I don't want to know about your politics!
     
  18. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    So I dont post here much anymore due to the snowflakes taking offense to everything, but isn't it funny that some who are offended by a CSA battle flag have no problem collecting coins depicting tyrants, who slaughtered thousands, and also owned slaves. Pretty sure every single ancient emperor owned slaves and did way more horrendous acts than any Confederate.

    The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
     
  19. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Doug (GDJMSP) was not the moderator who moved the disputed thread . . . I was.

    Doug also did not ban Restitutor . . . I did.

    Neither action was taken lightly.

    Whether intentionally passive-aggressive, or innocently naïve, Charles Brooks employed an avatar that, while controversial, was not in violation of the rules. Many members expressed their objections, those being political in nature. FurryFrog “died on his sword” over his objections . . . it was his choice to do so, and he got what was coming to him.

    Rather than accepting FurryFrog‘s fate as chosen, Restitutor opted to take an overtly aggressive route, adopting the swastika as his avatar to try shaming moderators into a reversal of decision / policy.

    Restitutor has been banned, not for using that avatar, as objectionable as it is, but for doing so to perpetuate the political discourse in clear defiance of the rules. He was willing to martyr himself for his argument. He too got what was coming to him.

    It is not for the membership to change the rules / decisions of the CoinTalk staff, but to abide by them.
     
  20. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    Where did you move the thread to?

    Phil Davis
     
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  21. Herodotus

    Herodotus Well-Known Member

    Yes it is. There is no counter-argument to be had. It is not left up to interpretation.

    I will reiterate the T&Cs of this site.

    You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, spam or spam-like, likely to offend, contains adult or objectionable content, contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws.
     
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