I have question regarding to PR69-PR70. I have notice that tier grading and any articles always show PR69DCAM or PR70DCAM. I haven't seen PR69-PR70. Does that mean if I have any proof set that has no DCAM (white frost) on it, it will automatic never qualify as PR69-PR70? Is DCAM a top luster to qualify a highest grade?
Modern proofs will exhibit mirror like fields and frosty devices along with high and prominent square rims. The extent of the mirror like fields determines the cameo effect on the devices. There are cameo and deep cameo grades. That help? [edit] And I don't think it should have an effect on the grade but if I'm wrong someone will chime in......
I can partially answer your questions. Earlier proofs, say 1970 and older have graded as high as 69 without CAM or DCAM designations. I would believe modern proofs are all DCAM.
whoops, wrong thread But in reguards to the OP Of this thread, it is possible to get PF69 without a cameo designation as seen here It all depends on when the proofs were struck. Cameo was once seen as a flaw on coins until the 60s when the Mint was actually making the dies strike "cameo" coins.
Thank you for your feedback and it help me to understand my coins better. I am current pursuing high grade by my own analysis and submit them for slab grade. I don't want to do the guessing or hoping to strike high grade by send them randomly . I want to able to see and decide which is high grade then submit them. I have two sets of 1964, but both of them doesn't have white frost, but I have 1997 American Eagles Dollar and 1977 sets with white frost. However, all four are very sharp with my 10X magnify. In my opinion, if I can't find any flaws through 10X magnify then it will be better chance to strike higher grade. That's why I am asking this question if I can find perfect coin without white frost, will it possible to slab as PR70?
That's because back then the mint was only engaged in making 'brilliant proofs'. That's 'cause they (mint) started making the 'frosty' ones (correct me if I'm wrong guys) starting in the '70's
It is extremely difficult to make blanket statements about virtually anything especially coins. That said, for modern proofs it is VERY unusual to have a coin that is NOT Deep Cameo. For grades such as 69 and 70, the coins must exhibit outstanding eye appeal and a modern proof with no cameo contrast would never meet the eye appeal requirement and therefore not grade PF-69 or PF-70. With brilliant proofs, there are very few coins that have graded PF-69, but they do exist IIRC. I am unaware of any PF-70 coins from the pre-1970 era
Pre 1970 PR70's do exist but are rare. I don't recall any Franklin Halves graded PF70 though. There are some Rosies as well.
Kind of sorta but not exactly. Even with the Proofs from the '30s, and all of those afterwards, with few exceptions anyway, all of the Proofs were designed to be cameo. And all dates have some examples of cameo and/or deep cameo coins, but very few of them. As I said above, they always made the frosty ones, there just weren't many of them. That's because the mint continued to use the Proof dies after the cameo frosting wore off the dies. Only the examples struck with new or nearly new dies had the cameo effect. And yes, it was in 1973 that the mint started making it a point for all of their Proofs to have the cameo effect.
This is only a suggestion, but before you start submitting some of your coins for grading, it might be a good idea to check the Census stats and price guides for those specific coins. In many cases, there are literally thousands of them already graded, and you can sometimes fare better by buying one already graded, thereby, saving yourself the added expense. Chris
