Post TPG Slab Mistakes.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Marshall, Jun 12, 2021.

  1. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This is not intended for mere grading disputes, but for obvious mistakes like a wrong type or wrong denomination or wrong variety.

    I'll start off with a link to eBay I found this morning. It is easily attributed as S-77 since it is the only Reverse in 1795 with a three leaves left on O(NE.)

    This one is ANACS, but mistakes like this come in all TPG flavors.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/174776084988?hash=item28b17769fc:g:MNEAAOSwpbFgp0kF

    This one resides in my collection: It is of course a Reverse of 97, not 94.

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    I won't include mere Attribution errors unless they are obvious.

    I've seen these fairly frequently over the years, but it's time to collect them in a thread instead of in individual posts that are quickly forgotten.

    I use links now because I've been frightened into using anything that might set off a copyright extortion vulture.
     
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  3. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    NCS Slab

    I can understand this"mistake" since that exact same reverse is a Reverse of 95 in it's 1796 Cap pairing on the S-81. In fact, ALL Reverse of 96s are simply Reverse of 95s when paired with coins dated after, but not including 1796. Incidentally, ALL Reverse of 96s were used on the 96 Liberty Caps before being used on the later pairings.

    But it does fall outside of the designated Type category.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cent...4-3025.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
     
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  8. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I have a three cent nickel that the slab identifies as a three cent silver. When you look at the NGC certification, it states the coin is valued at $2600.00!!! I am doing chores and don’t want to get into my coins all dirty and sweaty, but I’ll post it later when I get cleaned up.

    edit…. Here’s the coin/slab.
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  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    This one was shown as a proof but it's not.
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  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I have seen many die variety misattributions on third party graded coins though the years. At times I have seen them get Red Book listed varieties wrong.

    Some of them have been very significant with respect to the value of the piece. One example was on a very low grade Capped Bust, Lettered Edge Half Dollar that was attributed as a very rare Overton variety. As it turned out, the coin was a very common variety and was worth only a fraction of the asking price. Fortunately an experienced dealer spotted it and had it sent back to the grading company to be fixed.

    I once had a grader tell me he couldn’t tell the difference between a Head of 1794 and Head of 1795 large cent. As you can’t see it’s not that hard.

    1794 Cent off-angle.jpg 1795 cent O 3.jpg

    The trouble is we expect these guys to be experts in everything and to perform that task with extreme time limits. They are not omnipotent numismatists, and they are not superman who can do everything in a flash.
     
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  11. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    This is the point I try to make when cautioning people to buy the coin and not the slab.

    But it upsets some including the services whose stated goal is to be trusted with sight unseen transactions.
     
  12. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I've never collected the CBH's, and the biggest difference that I can see between the '94 & '95 is that there is no rod on which the cap rests for the 1795. Is that the difference that you are referring to?
     
  13. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Look at the amount of hair detail on the 1794 versus the 1795. The hair on the 1795 is much coarser. The 1794 is also in higher relief. As it turned out, this extended the useful life of the dies considerably. If that is not enough detail, there is a "hook" on the lowest curl of the 1794. There is no hook on the 1795.

    There is a pole holding the cap on the 1795 cent. It’s just a lot smaller and in lower relief.
     
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  14. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I noticed the hair detail, but I wasn't sure if it was attributed to circulation wear or not.

    Also, I noticed that the "L" of LIBERTY is touching the cap on the 1795, but is not on the 1794. Is that the common placement for each?

    If you say there is a pole on the 1795, I'll take your word for it. I'M BLIND!

    Thanks!
     
  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It is very weak and close to the bust.
     
  16. Mainebill

    Mainebill Love pretty coins

    Had a 1873 dime mis labeled open 3. But it was a 73 arrows which are all open 3. The no arrows open 3 much rarer than the closed 3
     
  17. cpm9ball

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  18. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    When a coin is authenticated, graded and attributed at a TPGS it must pass the scrutiny of many thousands of eyes. That's a good thing. What bothers me is the "Ex-Perts" who enjoy showing all of us how much they know when they catch an error. It may come as a shock to you but that is what I expect the public to do!

    IMHO, it shows a great deal of "class" and restraint for a very knowledgeable numismatist (who knows more about a particular coin series than 95% of the professional graders) to just have the error corrected.

    PS I'm also a non-Large cent specialist who has a hard time telling the head types. Unfortunately, the specialists who publish all the references assume it is easy to do in all grades and leave that out of most listings by Sheldon number.
     
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  19. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The Portrait HUB changed with Obverse 34, but they continued to add detail on 34, 35, 36, 37 and 38. On 39, they just went with the Exact Head of 95. I tend to look at the second lowest curl to see if it is paired or isolated. On most Head of 94s are paired and the few which are not are the early group with LIBERTY high above the hair. After a while it become second nature and you forget exactly what you are looking at and just KNOW. It's like the reverse loops.
     
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  20. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The Portrait HUB changed with Obverse 34, but they continued to add detail on 34, 35, 36, 37 and 38. On 39, they just went with the Exact Head of 95. I tend to look at the second lowest curl to see if it is paired or isolated. On most Head of 94s are paired and the few which are not are the early group with LIBERTY high above the hair. After a while it become second nature and you forget exactly what you are looking at and just KNOW. It's like the reverse loops.
     
  21. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    In my book, class acknowledges the TRUTH and not a false narrative.
     
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