My 1924 Peace, why the dark color ?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by bear32211, Jun 27, 2016.

  1. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    I just started a new thread here under "General Discussion" called "Proper dipping of a Peace Dollar" and ask for responses to the question. Lets give it some time and see what happens.
     
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  3. Mainebill

    Mainebill Love pretty coins

    I like the dark look I'd leave it be
     
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  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Me too, don't touch it.........
     
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  5. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Again I did but two that have the identical tone to them, the other a little worse for wear.
     
  6. olero

    olero Active Member

    I like it the way it is. It doesn't look like most of the coins one sees.
     
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  7. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    I cleaned the crude off of one that looked much like that. I used MS70 and a Q-tip. The surfaces were mark free and there was still some luster visible so I included it in a batch of coins going in to get graded. Now the coin was still gray and looked weird as heck but PCGS gave it a 64 anyway. I was just curious what they would do with such a cleaned coin.
     
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  8. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    OK this is new what is MS70 or should I say is MS70 a products widely used by evryone ?
     
  9. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    That's scary, and not complimentary to PCGS.
     
  10. UniqueDesigns

    UniqueDesigns Civil War Token Collector

    Does anyone ever use electrolysis to take the curse off less than desirable staining?
     
  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I have found MS-70 to be a miracle product. I just turned four dull CWT (that a man was offered $14 each at the Brandon show by a well known FL token dealer) into two lustrous brown MS-63's and two MS-64's in less than ten minutes. MS-70 was part of the treatment. Now the pieces should sell for over $100 @ I imagine.

    The next time I get a scuzzy copper coin in I'll do a before and after post to show the doubters! :p
     
  12. UniqueDesigns

    UniqueDesigns Civil War Token Collector

    Are you saying they are in graded slabs at those levels?
    Plese post the picts of both sides of each.
     
  13. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I believe the coins are unavailable. I will see. However, you have changed the subject. I'm talking about MS-70 turning a dull, brown, choice AU'ish looking CWT into a Choice Uncirculated coin. If you were following my posts - on another thread I revealed how a dealer I taught was regularly getting a particular series of copper slabbed as 65's with just a little conservation as I have written about above. As I said, I will post some before and after's. In the meantime I'll suggest you all get some MS-70 and learn to use it properly!

    Now close your eyes and imagine a CWT with no trace of wear (perhaps just a little darkening on the high points) and virtually no contact marks. The surface of the fields is iridescent brown with a trace of lavender at the rims. BOOM! Mint State. No tricks, just removed the dirt and film from a nice coin to begin with.
     
  14. UniqueDesigns

    UniqueDesigns Civil War Token Collector

    Notice my CT Handle note. CWTs are my specialty.
    MS-70 is good, but its amonia can remove patina, if not used sparingly.
    Coin Care rules as a conservation product.
     
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  15. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    MS-70 sounds heavy duty, has anyone used it diluted compared to straight up at all using on an old test type coin to compare one area of the coin to another to see the contrast from one point to another ?
     
  16. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I use full strength and it will often lighten the surface a little but another trick will get it back to normal - BUT Blast clean. If acetone is used after the 70, the coin may turn blue. So MS-70 needs to be removed from the coin with HOT, SOAPY water.

    WARNING: If a copper coin has any "red spots" (NOT mint red luster) from corrosion products the MS-70 will make them stand out which is not desirable! You'll need to work around them or conserve the coin another way.
     
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  17. UniqueDesigns

    UniqueDesigns Civil War Token Collector

    Sounds like you 'teach' or are a Conservation specialist.
    How about a link to this thread about conservation.
     
  18. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    I'm thinking I'm going to keep this Peace the way it is because of the sharp details under this dark tone. But would love to get an old nappy looking crud coin the use it as a test piece.
     
  19. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I feel like we are playing "What's My Line." For you younger members, a blindfolded panel tried to guess the ID/profession of a famous guest by asking questions.

    A long time ago I worked part time for a token & medal dealer. Unc CWT were about $5. :jawdrop: I learned a few things. I like to clean stuff so I've been at it for about fifty years. I'm not a chemist. I'm not a specialist of anything and a dunce at most. I have taught different subjects related to coins on occasion. I once posted on CT that I did show a FL dealer some of my methods and he has done very well for himself. I've ended up with some counterfeit gold for my collection that he was going to melt and jewelry for my wife. He is a very generous person.

    Now the bad news...tricks of the trade are a give and take thing with me. If not done correctly, you can ruin a coin. I believe my friend Brian Silliman teaches a conservation class for the ANA. He worked at NCS at one time. He has signed confidentiality agreements so he too cannot divulge all he knows. There is plenty of info on the Internet. I feel I've already said too much about the use of MS-70 here as it is. :oops::(
     
  20. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Follow-up, Follow-up. I sent it in and got it back graded at MS61. Not bad fo DSC01702.JPG DSC01704.JPG r a piece I was not sure would grade, even though it was ANACS.
     
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  21. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    I think it looks great!
     
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