Is this Diocletian too good to be genuine...?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Publius, Feb 13, 2018.

  1. Publius

    Publius Active Member

    Hello guys! My latest aquisition just arrived:
    04.02.2018 Diocletianus.png
    Diocletian, AD 284-305
    Æ1 Follis, 8,81 g., 25 mm, Struck AD 301, Aquileia Mint
    Laureate head right.
    Moneta standing left, holding scales and cornucopiae.
    Ref.: RIC VI Aquileia 31a

    So far so good... However, what bothers me and ruins my pleasure is the frickin' edge! :banhappy: Also, the patina in hand doesn't look as thick as on the image, it's looks a bit "transparent"...

    Take a look! Do you guys see red flags or is it only in my head?


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  3. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark standing on the shoulders of giants Dealer

    there is nothing wrong with your coin, it is a nice example of this type.
  4. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    In your head. No offense! It's a lovely coin...
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  5. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

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  6. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Naw, completely legit.
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  7. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Authentic - take that to the bank! Nice coin and a good score!
  8. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    Very very nice coin! Congratulations, good person. :)
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    One thing that many new collector have trouble accepting is the fact that desirable ancients come in all grades from too good to be true to absolutely horrid. There are extreme rarities that do not exist in a grade that modern collectors would touch and there are others that can be found by the hundreds in mint state having spent 2000 years in a sealed pot buried in a hospitable climate. Learning the difference will take a while. Congratulations on your excellent coin.
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  10. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    A really nice coin I would welcome in my trays any day

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  11. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

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  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    That Constantius Chlorus is great! Love to have that one in my collection.
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  13. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Hey, I am a Capitalist. If one can get those prices....better than everyone else in history and good for them! And, of course, if they truly are getting those prices, I myself and every other seller in the world is willing to consign.
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  14. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Well, in fairness, the seller does have a “make an offer” option. But since many of these coins are being sold to help someone in need, it feels a bit churlish to bargain. But maybe I am being hyper scrupulous. With coins priced in this fashion, maybe some bargaining is invited.
  15. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    And I’m sorry to hijack this thread. The OP coin is beautiful, and I see no reason to doubt its authenticity. I think I was making the connection to these other coins because they too are examples of LRBs that seem too good to be true. But such coins are indeed out there for those with discriminating eyes … and appropriate resources.
  16. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    True. And I see that aspect. But I dont talk politics, religion or (I guess) health (but I am walking a fine line here and now, or, well crossing it I supose). Health is a big concern for me now (I wont expound). Should I ask 2-10 times current value and then tell people what my situation is expecting exponential sales? No, I wont do that. Not my style. When I check out likely none of you will know. And you wont pay any extra for any coins you do buy from me.
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  17. Publius

    Publius Active Member

    Thank you very much for the help guys! You made my evening!

    None taken, I was hoping for such answer! :smuggrin:

    Yeah, I guess it makes me uncomfortable holding something ancient which doesn't show the wear I expect to see...
    Actually having a doubt about any of my coins is really discouraging... Yesterday I spent the day reading articles about counterfeits and how to spot them (including some of yours Doug :) ). So I guess there is a positive side - I hope some of the information stayed in my worried mind... :nailbiting: :D
  18. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    As others have said, nice coin! The edge looks perfectly normal, and as for the colour, IMHO, the coin has been cleaned and the metal is the process of gradually toning down. Many of these folles from the Tetrarchic period survive in very good shape and are common enough to not be very expensive.

    Here's my Maximianus from the same mint.

    Maximianus - Follis Moneta AQP 1263.jpg
    AE Follis. 9.47g, 28.9mm. Aquileia mint, AD 302-303. RIC VI Aquileia 35b. O: IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, laureate head right. R: SACR MONET AVGG ET CAESS NOSTR, Moneta standing left, holding scales and cornucopia; VI in right field, AQP in exergue.
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  19. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Man. Maximianus needs to lay off the fried cheesesticks. What is that neck measurement? About a 32? How does he even button his dress shirts?
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  20. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    Government isn't easy sometimes when you've got Diocletian's expectations to live up to! Give the man a break. :p
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  21. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    At the time the coin was struck, Maximianus would have been into the 16th year of his reign. That's a good many years of living large, and I'm sure he took to the benefits of the purple like a fish to water. Pop quiz: how many emperors liked the job so much they had THREE reigns?
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