ID Help fake coin?

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  1. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

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  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Need sharper images. The crystallization looks good in the blurry image. A sharper image may indicate casting crystallization rather than those associated with age. Since I am ignorant about the style or what this coin is we'll both need to wait for an "expert" opinion.
     
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  4. paschka

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    I will say at once: in my opinion this is molding, there is a line of 2 forms on the end. Rather it is 100% molding, but my question is when it was made? Can this be a fake of the times of the ancient Rome?
     
  5. dougsmit

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    No expert here but it looks like a Hadrian tetradrachm with Athena left with spear and shield Emmett 820 but your seems to read LI which is not a choice. I see nothing in the photo that looks out of line for a low grade coin of the period but I can not ID it so I can not comment on it being fake.
    We have a language barrier here. Are you saying the flan was made in two halves and they do not align properly on the edge?
     
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  6. paschka

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    Yes!!!!!!Two halves….
     
  7. Insider

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    Show a photo of the edge. Two in different places would be nice. I think I see a raised line along the bottom of the obverse in the photo. This may only be a thin line of corrosion (?) as that's what it looks like to me .
     
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  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    It's hard to judge from your images and description, paschka, but what I see and what you've described doesn't necessarily condemn the coin.

    Here's another Alexandrian coin-- a diobol of Augustus-- which I returned after seeing the active corrosion which was threatening to split the coin into two faces!

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  9. paschka

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    Friends! In my opinion this line is from casting and 2 forms with this. So the coin is cast, but I was told that the coin was allegedly found in the ground. Perhaps then it was lost by a modern counterfeit coin, and perhaps it was made in the time of ancient Rome, because then the same forged coins by casting?
     
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  10. Insider

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    :facepalm: Well now, that DOES look like a casting seam. Note how it even crosses the void in the edge. I have found that extremely thin raised ridges such as this indicate excellent molds and modern casting techniques. That coin needs to be examined in-hand by ancient authentication experts to be sure.
     
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  11. paschka

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    Maybe it's still a handiwork from ancient Rome and local counterfeit coins? After all, in ancient Rome, they made cast forgery of coins !!!!
     
  12. paschka

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    Tell me please, can it still an ancient cast coin of Roman counterfeiters?:bored:
     
  13. Severus Alexander

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    Size and weight will help the experts here.

    I'm no expert, but it is possible that it's a genuine coin struck on a cast flan. I know at least some Alexandrian flans are cast.
     
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  14. paschka

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    Yes, does it look like Alexandria and is it possible that this is a cast coin from the ancient Roman-Ptolemaic era? It would be super cool, but I thought that it was a forgery of 21 or 20 centuries ..... and was depressed because of this.
     
  15. Severus Alexander

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    Definitely a possibility, Doug is right that it's Hadrian (117-138). Here is a similar type: http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/hadrian/Milne_1084.jpg
     
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  18. Severus Alexander

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    Are you sure about that?
     
  19. paschka

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    Yes, there L I , but the coin is big and heavy, gram 15
     
  20. Severus Alexander

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    That's a bit heavy for a tetradrachm, but not out of the question.

    Couldn't it be L Γ for instance?
     
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  21. paschka

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    Yes, there L Γ
     
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