Flying Eagle / Indian Cents in old Album Pages

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  1. LA_Geezer

    LA_Geezer Well-Known Member

    I wonder what these might have been worth sixty plus years ago. Would they have then been worth counterfeiting—beyond the obvious rarities, of course?
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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I agree. Some look as if they have been worked on at some point.
  4. David Betts

    David Betts Elle Mae Clampett cruising with Dad

    Question does PCGS/NGC offer a service to uncase and grade? As I've always had to use 2 x 2 flaps which would leave "canudigit" to break out of the Wayte Raymond Lp ( not a easy task ) for normal's.
    I know Rick and/or Charmy could as well I once contacted HA's Dave Mayfield who sent I think was Jason Freidman to handle and send out for grading then catalog. I believe we had to sign a consignment or pay for services.
  5. canudigit

    canudigit Member

    I can not agree or disagree positively on the possibility of any being long ago 'worked on' -the hazy and somewhat striated nature of these album windows makes things very difficult to determine conclusively. To those who have posted suspicion (above) or any new sayers - kindly point out your suspects! Appreciated.

    Update: conversation with owner this morning - I'm riding her like a rodeo pro for tighter facts on this collection. One thing that's come to light is that her family has had these for more like 70 years, and there is one remaining great nephew who may shed some light she is trying to contact. Her big news flash....more coins possibly also from this collection found in the house. Box of more pennies. I have no idea if this is anything significant but I'm going to make the trip there this afternoon to find out!
  6. dlgilles

    dlgilles Member

    I removed my post. Thanks for the advice.
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2020
  7. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    What you did was just hijack someone else’s thread. It’s not proper etiquette so please refrain.

    you should self report and have the mods move to your own thread in the Error section.
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  8. canudigit

    canudigit Member

    As mentioned above, Rick Snow is certainly known as the top dog! I have been closely perusing his web site since I started 'babysitting' these coins for the past week. I was previously aware of his catalog of snow variations - makes my head spin -in a good way! Thanks to all who have also mentioned other names of preference. This project is full of possibilities and heavy decisions. Thanks to all who will hang in there with me on all this. You guys are awesome!
  9. dlgilles

    dlgilles Member

    Sorry. I guess I understand. Both threads seemed generic, but the proper etiquette is to always start a new thread when posting pictures? I just posted here based on the title.
  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I don't have an answer to that. I have always done the work myself and let PCGS and NGC holder the coin.
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  11. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    Yes. Always start your own thread.

    This thread is about as far away from generic that you can get. One of the most incredible funds to come through here in a long time (ever?)
  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I have some good friends at HA but yes, they need to be paid for what ever services they provide and I feel that is fair.
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  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    No big deal but your own new thread will give you much better answers to your questions. That helps this thread stay on topic and you will get more folks to reply to just your coin.
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  14. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I am so impressed by the amount of work and money it took to create your collection. I have been working on mine for over 20 years (I inherited my father's collection then), and I am down to the two coins mentioned or dreamed of by those that have read this line. Over the years, I would replace coins my father had collected and I replace them as I found better coins for my collection. I am down to the 1856 Flying Eagle (which I haven't found anyone selling one that is in my Social Security income) and the 1877 Indian Cent (which a good one is also out of my budget). I would love to find out the final disposition of your collection, as, probably everyone reading here, would also like to know. Thank you so much for sharing. Now, where did you say you are storing this collection? Best of luck.
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  15. White Ger. Shep. Lover

    White Ger. Shep. Lover Well-Known Member

    "Canudigit" is a most appropriate name. I always thought of my IHC collection with great fondness and pride. Canudigit and his never ending river of majestic IHC's has now shattered those once heart warming thoughts. Don't get me wrong, I still love my IHC's, but I don't think I'll ever quite look at them the way I used to. For now on, when I pull out my '09-S, I'm sure I'll lightly grab it by the scruff of it's hairdress and utter something along the lines of "oh why oh why can't you look like Canudigit's '09-S?"
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  16. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Not sure really. But with the additional info of it being around for 70 years, I guess we need to know when it was completed. I would not even attempt to give advice on how to properly remove these without inflicting some rubs or other damage.
  17. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I won't be one of the naysayers but it's always a point to be made about the 1856 & 1877 possibly being suspect as these two in particular have been worked on for ages. I'm also not sure I would be the one to remove most of these from the albums without incurring some rubs or other damage depending upon how well they are seated in the album. Putting them in flips could also cause some unintended results if you are shipping to a TPG. Even removing the slides to get a better view could cause damage if they scrape across the coins. I would say you need some expert advice on how to proceed further and possibly even consider making a trip to the TPG if they are willing to do the heavy lifting, so to speak, of removing these coins for encapsulation. Do proceed with a lot of caution and keep us posted.
  18. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    With precious few exceptions, faking such coins years ago would not even occur to counterfeiters. The 1856 FE and the 1877 IHC are the only coins I believe fall into that category.
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2020
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  19. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    I don’t know if anyone can tell more from this, but I cropped and straightened from the original photo. Remember that this 1877 is also marked as a Proof.

    I look forward to the better pictures!

  20. I recently bought a complete set less the 1856 and sold them on E-Bay and did quite nicely.I sent 20 of the most valuable ones to NGC and 40 additional ones to ANACS.Over half came back re-colored,cleaned ,etc....Most of these were purchased in the late 1970,s,,early eighties.Even with the problem graded coins they sold for what I thought were nice prices.I suggest you get 25 or so slabbed by NGC or PCGS and see how they come back.If most grade with no problem ,get your wallet out and do the entire set.If most or some have issues go with ANACS and save your $
  21. bradgator2

    bradgator2 Well-Known Member

    What an amazing thread. This should be stickied to the front page featured section.
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