Error scanning banknotes?!

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by pballer225, Jul 12, 2012.

  1. pballer225

    pballer225 Member

    My printer is bringing up a message when I try to scan a 2006 $5 star note I got in my change today. I was wondering if anyone else had this problem and what to do to get around it. it basically says that you're not allowed to image banknotes without proper authorization, and it won't scan my bill :(
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  3. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    Yeah, new scanners are programmed to not scan new money... it's a pain. One thing you might try is different scanning software. I use VueSscan, for example, with a brand new Epson scanner, with no problems. You may also have trouble with your image editing software, once you do get the note scanned.

  4. funkee

    funkee Tender, Legal

    There are a few things you can do. The easiest would be to take a photo of the note with a camera or smartphone, then upload it.

    You can also try covering half the note with a piece of paper and scan that. Then cover the other half of the note and scan. Then use an graphic editor to combine them.
  5. pballer225

    pballer225 Member

    Yeah I already tried that and it detects even a very small part of the bill, even if it's only about 20% of the actual bill showing. This is beyond ridiculous if you ask me...
  6. funkee

    funkee Tender, Legal

    It's likely the scanner's software that causes this problem. What does the error say? And when does it occur - immediately after the scan, or when you try to save or import the file?

    You can try a different set of drivers; either by downgrading to the oldest available proprietary drivers, or better yet, see if you can find open source drivers.

    Once you have the image on your computer, don't use Photoshop to open it. You will be blocked. Instead open it using Image Ready and use the link on the bottom left of the toolbar to edit it in Photoshop.
  7. clayirving

    clayirving Supporter**

    That will not work. Contemporary printers and some software recognize the Counterfeit Deterrence System (CDS) digital watermark and will not scan or load the image. The watermark is so good that you can cover most of the note and it still will not scan.
  8. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    Use default Windows software for scanning, the "Scanner and Camera Wizard" one. Fancy image editors such as Photoshop won't let you scan notes unless you install a patch that disables this protection.
  9. clayirving

    clayirving Supporter**

    That will not help if the scanner itself recognizes the CDS digital watermark. I have a Canon LIDE 200 scanner which recognizes CDS and a Canon LIDE 30 scanner which does not recognize CDS. Using VueScan which does not recognize CDS, I can scan a contemporary note with the LIDE 30, but not the LIDE 200 — The scanner will physically not let the note be scanned.
  10. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    Of course it won't help, there is not much you can do if its hardware level protection, in some built-in chip. Luckily, new scanners are really cheap, and the cheap ones usually don't have this limitation.
  11. urbanchemist


    like clay had mentioned using Vuescan will work for scanning the note.
  12. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    Sometimes I feel invisible....
  13. clayirving

    clayirving Supporter**

    I see you just fine, Dave!
  14. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    Whew, I was starting to wonder!
  15. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    I use a HP Scanjet (model G3110) flatbed scanner and have never had a problem with any notes or sheets.
  16. bobbeth87

    bobbeth87 Coin Collector

    It is all those little yellow "05" numerals. The "O" numerals form a EURion Constellation which tells the software in the copier that it is a banknote and that it shouldn't copy it. This is one of the security features on our new bills. Older ones will scan fine.

  17. kookoox10

    kookoox10 ANA #3168546

    Just like Steve, I use a nice HP scanjet model myself. And I generally scan the images by going through Adobe Acrobat Pro and initiating the scan that way. No problems.
  18. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    That's actually not true Bob. The Eurion numbers are for copy machines, but scanners work on a different digital watermark (CDS) that is not visible to the eye.

  19. clayirving

    clayirving Supporter**

    The EURion Constellation plays a small part, if any at all. It is my understanding that the EURion Constellation is a older (mid-1990's) deterrent primarily for color photocopy machines. It's only needed on one side if you're trying to counterfeit notes on a copy machine.

    Neither the front or back of this $50 note can be scanned on a scanner that recognizes CDS, and the EURion Constellation is only on the back of the note.

    See: Software Detection of Currency
  20. bobbeth87

    bobbeth87 Coin Collector

    thanks for the clarification Dave and Clay
  21. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    There are quite a few legitimate purposes for scanning currency notes. These prohibitions that I have been reading about are an abomination. I am especially disgusted to read that some scanners show a message saying that it is illegal to scan a banknote?!?!?! I would like to know what country that scanner was meant for because I have never heard of any legislation in the United States that outright prohibits the scanning or photography of banknotes. Thankfully, my scanner and the factory software that came with it has never given me a problem about scanning banknotes. If it did I would have called customer service or written a blunt letter telling them that there are legitimate purposes for scanning banknotes and to give me clean software immediately. Rant over, lol.
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