Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Gam3rBlake, Sep 17, 2021.
It just doesn’t feel right to me and I’m curious if you guys agree something is off with it?
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Maybe a fourree. Weight would help as always.
It’s just that the denarius is supposed to be a highly pure silver coin (at least under Trajan it was since they were ~80% pure during his reign) and this one doesn’t look like it’s made of high purity silver.
Oh yeah and the weight is 3.21 grams.
No of course not. It wouldn’t make sense to compare modern coins to coins that have been around for 2,000 years.
Im actually comparing it to other Trajan denarii.
Like this one of mine:
However I must say that I am asking this question with full knowledge of everything about the coin. I’m just curious what others think about the coin to see if the information I have about it is easily noticeable to everyone else.
It’s got surface defects that make one think fouree if looking for something but the look of the metal doesn’t make me think fake. If it’s the toning and “find” patina somewhat in tact — that’s preferred by many collectors than the dipped coin. If you know it to be fake you should describe the attributes that identify it as such.
In other words you are playing with us by asking if we can guess what is on the label you don't show. The coin has been butchered and shows a lot of cleaning scratches. It has some bumps on the surface that could be signs of plating but this period is known for having some problems with the mixture any some bumps like that so either is a possibility. To be certain, you would need to cut it in half but I would prefer you not do that since what I see could be from other things done to the coin rather than being fourree. I once believed the coin below was plated but I am now more toward it having mix problems with copper lumps rather than a full core. I'm not willing to cut it to prove the matter. You should not either. You have already had the coin viewed by someone you trust (a slabber - which one?) so that is why I say you are playing games. If all you want is to prove we are ignorant amateurs, I'll admit that one. We are not a collection of the finest minds in this science and even those who are will sometimes disagree on some points. If you can not deal with that, I suggest you find a different hobby and stop playing games by not disclosing what you have.
No actually I’m trying to understand.
I promise I have no intention of trying to make anyone look ignorant or amateurish.
People regularly tell Ancient coin collectors that buying coins in slabs is bad. Or at the least they say it’s not recommended.
Yet there are many ancient coins that would be impossible to determine authenticity for anyone below the professional level.
I shared this coin to see what people thought and whether buying coins in slabs might actually be the correct way to go.
Don’t get mad about it. If a post doesn’t interest you you can always skip it.
People play games on here all the time. I’ve seen many, many, many “guess the grade” posts. People should be able to post whatever they want and those interested can participate in the discussion while those with no interest in the discussion can check out other posts they might be more interested in.
I don't think it's wise to suggest that this member skip over your post. He offers a tremendous amount of knowledge and a willingness to share. He also has great info on his website (spend some time there).
Yep. It's troll fodder 101.
Next thing you know they'll say something condescending like
I was just trying to understand.
When just the post before they'd said, "However I must say that I am asking this question with full knowledge of everything about the coin". Oh, they already just did that.
Pretty predictable and tedious stuff.
Hey homes, how's that tetradrachm you drove that price up on that was 99.9% yours? troll.
Wrong person to suggest that to!
I would hope absolutely none. But I'm sure some don't like the answers, sometimes.
I've taken the time to find the actual coin, for anyone who wanted to see what NGC had to say. Contemporary forgery
Not sure why you didn't post it originally, considering it was like the third result for 'Trajan' on Heritage.
This, definitely was a trap post. I would have ignored by now but I enjoy the dramatics a bit. OP is problematic to say the least.
To be fair, I very much doubt that you've seen them in the Ancients Forum. Because 99.9% of the regular posters here couldn't care less about the "grade" of their coin. And wouldn't need NGC to tell them that they wouldn't want this coin, forgery or not.
@Ryro, I know you're convinced that Blake is a troll, and I highly respect your opinion, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think she is, at least not intentionally. I think she's well-intentioned and tries to create posts that will inspire discussion, and simply isn't "in synch" with a lot of members here
Having said that, I tried to make my own determination without looking down the whole thread.
The style of the coin looks authentic. At 5 o’clock on both the obverse and reverse it looks like the edge of silver plating with a base core. That may be copper showing through near Trajan’s forehead, also.
I wonder if I would have noticed had the fact that there was a problem with the coin been suggested by the question.
As respectfully as possible, Donna, the Gamer is absolutely a troll, sorry to say.
Everything from making deals on Collectors Universe, just to relist the item on a buyer, to trying to trip people up here in this thread. Time and time again it's been shown. Just money hungry.
Part 1 of the V75 fiasco
Part 2 of the fiasco
I won't deal with the gamer. Too apt of a description, really.
I suppose you reap what you sow.
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