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Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by JBGood, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    DA8B991D-61C7-45D3-B421-0D8FBD92199E.jpeg “A hoard of Roman coins found in a field may have been hidden there during the Boudiccan revolt, an expert has said.”

    “The trove of 60 denarii, dating between 153BC and AD60-61, was found in a field near Cookley, in Suffolk, by a metal detectorist.”

    Source:BBC news

    I recognize some types from my own collection. That’s pretty cool.
     
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  3. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    The level of wear in the Republican coinage it's very interesting. Makes me wonder if all F graded Republican coinage, the stuff many people avoid collecting today, are perhaps the coins that were circulated 150 + years...and were handled by people who saw and heard some of the most famous people in history such as Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula and Nero (just to name a few).

    By the way, definitely recognize this type amongst the coins pictured on OP's post, though I doubt mine ever saw more than a decade of light use before it was buried.

    Servilius M.F. Rullus denarius (100 BCE).jpg

    I know it's only natural for all of us to drool over XF or higher grades but what real collector can fault a coin for having circulated for two of the most eventful and amazing centuries in human history? The coins in the hoard really make me appreciate more the humble F and aVF Republican coinage that often gets ignored.
     
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  4. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

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    As you can see the reverse in some of these coins are even more worn.

    But a couple I think I can identify. I’m gonna give it a shot.
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The reverse image shown does not go with the obverses. There is another image additionally since only 40 coins (one sided) are shown. Many/most can be identified by the one side shown.
     
  6. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Yes, I just figured that out. The obverses are clearer too.
     
  7. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I know it's a small sample size, but I find it interesting that 3.33% of the coins were plated forgeries. Would be nice to see a study of other 1st century hoards to determine the percentage of fourree coinage in circulation in the 1st century of the empire.
     
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  8. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    I'm surprised the number is that low. I collect fossils and stamps and assume 25% are not real. There is no cool name like "fourree" for phony fossils or stamps.
     
  9. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    I'm a bit surprised to hear you say that fossils are often counterfeited/faked. Had never read that before. How does that work? What type of fossils are usually faked?

    I am about to add some fossils to an auction I'm having but they were dug up in
    South Dakota during road construction (passed on to me from the project engineer's daughter). Wonder if I need to give provenance for the fossils when I sell them?

    Steve
     
  10. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    There are lots of forgeries of trilobite fossils, however the genuine ones are fairly easy to spot if one examines the eyes under magnification. Both of my trilobites have the compound eyes preserved in high detail when viewed through a stereo microscope. Fakes won't have that.

    Also, some genuine trilobite fossils are less than 100% real because of restoration work. most of the trilobite fossils sold today are roughly 85 to 90% genuine, and the rest is "restoration" to make it more "market presentable". Kind of what Lanz Numismatics is to ancient coins, with flawed aureii all of the sudden being re-auctioned without the flaw.
     
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  11. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    Looks like I have some "Googling" to do before I go to the Tucson Gem & Mineral show next year. Table after table of fossils.

    Steve
     
  12. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I have a coin from a similar hoard.

    From Numismatic News

    Britain’s “Celtic Coins,” a.k.a. Chris Rudd Ltd., have announced that on Monday, June 4, the firm will be offering for sale coins from the fabled Quidenham hoard via their website: www.celticcoins.com/. The posting is scheduled that morning for 9 a.m. local time.

    The hoard consists of 22 Roman silver denarii and 25 Icenian silver units discovered at Quidenham in Norfolk, 2014, by a metal detectorist. It is historically important in that it provides a further numismatic link with Queen Boudica’s rebellion against the Romans in 60-61 C.E. Like contemporary known hoards, it is likely it was concealed during the revolt.

    Among other pieces, it contains three examples of the so-called Tribute Penny, denarii of Emperor Tiberius, all minted at Lugdunum (Lyon) post-14 C.E. Full details of the coins can be found inThe British Numismatic Journal86, 2016.

    http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/celtic-hoard-to-be-sold-june-4

    From Chris Rudd

    “In 2014 an important Treasure hoard of 22 Roman silver denarii and 25 Icenian silver units was unearthed at Quidenham, Norfolk. Probably related to Boudica’s revolt in AD 60-61 (Dr John Talbot pers.comm. 26.3.2018), this hoard contains some fascinating types and is offered exclusively to the clients of Chris Rudd. “

    “Nos. 19, 20, 21 are said to be the ‘Tribute Penny’ referred to by Jesus in his famous ‘render unto Caesar’ speech (St.Matthew 22.17-21). “

    http://www.celticcoins.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/LL-95-webQuid.pdf

    Here is a my Tiberius from the hoard. Btw @TIF has one of these as well.

    Tiberius ‘Tribute Penny’. AD16-37. Silver denarius.
    17mm. 3.48g.
    RCV 1763 RIC 26 RSC 16a
    bold head, clear Livia.
    Found Quidenham hoard, Norfolk, 2014. Recorded as Coin #22,

    NMS-480CEEunder the portable antiquities scheme.
    Purchased from Chris Rudd Numismatics July 23, 2018.

    Tiberius Quidenham.jpg
     
  13. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice collection of coins. I suppose Republican denarii circulated for far longer than I thought, instead of being melted down for denarii minted by the 12 Caesars.
     
  14. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    @Stevearino People generally want to know what bedrock formation their fossils came from. That will enable people to go back and research the period and climate in which the fossils formed. So if I were you I'd provide an information card with each fossil detailing what it is, the time period, and bedrock formation. And don't forget to include your dealer name too.

    I don't collect fossils at all, but I somehow have ended up with a handful of fossils over the years.

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    Here is one of the cards that belongs to one of my fossils for reference....

    IMG_20190715_103726094_HDR.jpg
     
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  15. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    These are not parallel concepts. One is fake ancients. The other is ancient fakes. Fossil forgeries are modern fakes of old things. Fourrees are old, contemporary, fakes of old things (and do not include modern fakes). The fraction of Roman Republican coins in circulation at the time that were plated fakes has been studied (Giles Carter, "Silver-plated coins of the Roman Republic," 1988 Civico Museo Arch. e Numis di Milano, pages 27-33). He concluded (page 32) "In the Roman Republic the relative number of plated coins on the average was probably more than two and less than three percent."
     
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  16. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    @Sallent, I was able to look at the USGS map of South Dakota and nail down the formations these fossils came from to two, widely different (Proterozoic to Oligocene/Eocene). From there the nature of the fossils themselves will tell me which formation they belong to. At least I can offer some info to potential buyers.

    Thanks for the info in your post; however, I'm not a dealer, just a "collector" (read "hoarder" according to my wife) who is unloading coins, stamps, antiques, fossils and rocks, beer coasters, crayons and loads of other "stuff" I've accumulated over the past sixty years. Not everything is going, but enough so I'll sleep better at night knowing my wife and kids won't curse me because I left them with tons of "junk."

    Steve
     
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