Another Great Franklin, FBL

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  1. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    A 1960 PCGS MS-64FBL. I do love these coins.
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  3. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    I think Franklin Half Dollars (MS64FBL) are a great collection to complete at current prices.
     
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  4. dimeguy

    dimeguy Dime Enthusiast

    It is another great one! I love your Franklins and Peace Dollars. We have similar tastes and it is nice to see bits and pieces of your great collection.
     
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  5. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Question. Do they mint these coins so you can actually read what’s written on the bell. Wonder why only 64. A TAD of chatter and a few dots is all I see.
     
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  6. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    I seem to recall reading that when the new San Francisco Mint opened in 1937, they got the old equipment from the Denver Mint and Denver got new equipment. Denver had the best strikes, followed by Philadelphia, then San Francisco.

    "Pass and Stow"...I always thought those were shipping instructions. :)

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  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Shipping instructions? Man am I laughing hard or what? I can hardly spell. LOL and lots more.

    John Pass and John Stow made recasts of the original Liberty Bell. Both are from Philadelphia and the made the recasts twice. Lester and Pack made the original bell in 1752 in London. The bell cracked shortly after arriving in Philadelphia.
     
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  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    You can read most of what’s on the bell with new dies but those dies wore quickly to where you couldn’t.

    I only need a few more in this grade and condition to have them all in MS-64 in PCGS slabs. Most are affordable but there are some that are not.
     
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  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    Fun Fact: in early years of Franklin half collecting, they actually valued a readable "Pass and Stow" as the key detail. The bell lines were not the most important feature.

    The Master was re-engraved in 1960, but they neglected the bell lines. Thus, FBL percentages are much lower in the 60's than in previous years.

    So, for the real Franklin Half specialist.. PCGS FBL really means absolutely nothing. PCGS only uses the bottom set of lines to call it FBL (CAC follows the useless PCGS guidelines). For NGC to call it FBL, both sets of lines must be complete and uninterrupted.

    So... once you finish the pcgs fbl set, you can upgrade to the NGC FBL set.
     
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  10. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    I don't have it handy, but Rick Tomaska has a book on Franklin Half Dollars where he discusses FBL designations. Although, TPGs have specific requirements for granting superior strike designations (e.g. FH, FBL, FSB, etc.), he argues that these designations are really meant to correlate with overall strike quality. He suggests that graders should consider the overall strike of the coin when assigning a superior strike designation. I don't know if that's what happens, but it makes sense.

    I see cases where PMD disrupts the bell lines, costing it a FBL designation. I could argue that PMD shouldn't be a factor in granting FBL designation since PMD has nothing to do with the quality of a coin's strike.
     
  11. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

  12. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Thanks for taking the time to respond. Great stuff. Almost as good as a philly cheese steak. Was a good read. I miss Kurt. (Philly Kurt). Knowing him. He’s probably that off the wall Flyers mascot (Gritty). Punching kids and stuff. Lol
     
  13. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Sounds like a fun chase. Good luck you nut
     
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  14. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    That sucks. That’s a great (did you know ) piece of info
     
  15. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Sucks. Don’t own a Franklin either. Not a whole lot of silver in this house. I believe I have some older mint sets that are sister owned. I wanna hand them out so I can maybe open a few. Nobody care but me
     
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  16. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Yes. That got a gut laugh from me too. Good thing I wasn’t drinking coffee
     
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  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Oh girl, you make me laugh. :)
     
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