A Collecting Goal Achieved

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Al Kowsky, Aug 31, 2021.

  1. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    For the last several years I've been looking for a nummus (follis) of co-emperor Maximian from the Lugdunum Mint (Lyon, France), to complete a set of the 4 members of the 1st Tetrarchy from that mint, & recently found an example that I liked pictured below :happy:. The coin had to be high grade to fit with the others; maybe that's why it has taken so long. To make the challenge even grater prices for high grade examples have surged since the Covid-19 pandemic began. I have similar sets of 4 from the London, Ticinum, Trier & Cyzicus mints :D.

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    Pictured below are examples of the other 3 members from that mint including a nummus of Constantius I, after he was given the title of Augustus in AD 305.

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    One thing that surprised me was the NGC label on the recently acquired Maximian coin. They named the denomination Follis instead of Nummus o_O. Most collectors call these coins folles instead of nummi, although nummi is considered historically more accurate. Is this a new trend by NGC or have I got an oddball label on this coin :confused:?

    CT members are welcome to post their nummi or folles from the Lugdunum Mint :D.
     
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  3. John Conduitt

    John Conduitt Well-Known Member

    Very nice set. Yes I've found sometimes one coin or other that isn't especially rare proves very difficult to get in great condition like yours. Which mint are you going for next?

    All my Lugdunum coins are just before or after the Tetrarchy, and so are such things as antoniniani and siliquae. This one was described by CNG simply as an Æ, which I think counts as a nummus.

    Decentius as Caesar Æ2, 350-353
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    Lugdunum, Officina P. Bronze, 23mm, 5.9g. Bareheaded and cuirassed bust right, D N DECENTI-VS NOB CAES. Large Chi-Rho ☧, flanked by A and ω, SALVS DD NN AVG ET CAES. Mintmark PPLG (RIC VIII 157/9). One of the first overly Christian coins to circulate in Britain. Ex Bridgnorth Hoard, found in Shropshire in 2007, possibly buried after 353 when Constantius II had defeated Magnentius and outlawed coins of Magnentius and his brother Decentius. Either bury them, or get hunted down by Paul the Chain.
     
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  4. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    John, Your Decentius follis is a very handsome coin with an important provenance :D! The next mints I'm working on are Rome & Aquileia.
     
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Congratulations on completing your mini-set, @Al Kowsky! Very lovely examples, too! I always get a smug feeling of accomplishment when I obtain a long-sought-after coin! Well done!

    I have a couple of GENIOs.

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    Constantius I, Caesar, 293-305.
    Roman billon follis, 9.95 g, 26.6 mm, 11 h.
    Trier, AD 296-97.
    Obv: CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES, laureate head right.
    Rev: GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI, Genius standing left, modius on head, naked but for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae; A/Γ//TR.
    Refs: RIC vi, p. 183, 218a; Cohen 61; RCV 14035.

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    Constantius I, Caesar, 293-305.
    Roman billon follis, 9.83 g, 26.3 mm, 5 h.
    Antioch, AD 300-301.
    Obv: FL VAL CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES, laureate head right.
    Rev: GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI, Genius standing left, modius on head, naked but for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera from which liquid flows, and cornucopiae; K/B-V//ANT.
    Refs: RIC vi, p. 620, 55a; Cohen 89; RCV 14069.
     
  6. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    R.C., I really like your Antioch follis with the K V in the fields :happy:. For some reason really choice folles from Antioch have escaped me o_O, which seems strange since I have so many choice Tets from that mint.
     
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  7. dougsmit

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    I have no post reform Maximianus from Lugdunum but this is a a pre-reform antoninianus of Lugdunum for comparison.
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    My Constantius would not grade so high due to wear but was struck evenly head to toe on Genius which is not all that common on these.
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    Slightly later is this Constantius I with wear and surface issues compounding the weaker strike on the top part of Genius. This coin bears a bit of added meaning to me since I got it for $10 from Victor Failmezger while he was writing his book in 2000. Victor was less interested in mints than in types so this somewhat ordinary coin did not make the cut. Today, Lugdunum coins seem to appeal to more collectors.
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    Again my Galerius for Lugdunum is pre-reform. For some reason I have always preferred pre-reform coins and those for the Caesars are less common.
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    Finally there is the Galerius follis for this mint. This coin pretty much typifies what I usually seek in this period. It has decent striking and surfaces but is not so perfect that it appeals to people willing to pay the premium for coins over VF. The strike and style on the Genius head is appealing to me but there is weakness in the thighs and altar.
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    This series really is not all that easy to find with solid, even strikes, good surfaces and fine style. When you add a preference for left busts and retained silvering, it gets harder. You have some excellent coins.
     
  8. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    Your Diocletian here stuck out to me. Really nice.

    Are these your photos? Did you crack these? Just curious. NGC photos aren't exactly trueview quality, but at least everyone gets one :)
     
  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice addition to the collection!
     
  10. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    Doug, You've posted a handsome group of coins :D. I've stayed away from the Tetrarchy radiates because I prefer the larger nummi. Some of the radiates are much more difficult to find than the nummi & can get very pricy. I like the 1st coin you posted with the PAX reverse ;). You're right about the lefties being pricy, they get gobbled up quickly too.
     
  11. Al Kowsky

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    Evan, All the nummi I posted were photographed before being slabbed except the Maximian, that I bought slabbed. The Diocletian is a blazer :D. The Diocletian & Galerius nummi look almost interchangeable except for the obverse inscriptions.
     
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  12. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    I noticed that - very similar, but both are very pretty. Good finds, glad you love them.

    I don't have any coins from Lugdunum - I would like to someday considering I have a familial connection to the Lyon area.
     
  13. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    it is so cool to see uncirculated ancient coins...amazing
     
  14. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish) Supporter

    Beautiful coins as always @Al Kowsky ! These big folles are nice in hand, especially with as much detail as yours.

    Here is a Lugdunum Diocletian
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    Roman Empire
    Diocletian, AD 284-305
    AE Follis, Lugdunum Mint, 1st officina, struck ca. AD 295
    Dia.: 28 mm
    Wt.: 8.5 g
    Obv.: IMP C DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG; Laureate bust right
    Rev.: GENIO POP-VLI ROMANI: Genius standing left holding patera and cornucopia /LA in exergue
    Ref.: RIC VI 2a, Lugdunum Group I, Class II
    Ex Jamesicus Collection
     
  15. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    Nice set and achievement @Al Kowsky

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    Maximianus, Follis - Atelier de Lyon, AD 304-305
    IMP MAXIMIANVS AVG. Buste lauré et cuirassé de Maximien Hercule à droite, avec pan de paludamentum, vu de trois quarts en avant (B*01).
    GENIO POP-VLI ROMANI/ (AUTEL)|*// PLG. Génie debout à gauche, coiffé du modius, le manteau sur l'épaule gauche, tenant une patère de la main droite et une corne d'abondance de la main gauche.
    8,15 gr - 27,5 mm
    Ref : RIC # 175b, Cohen # 198


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    Galerius, Follis - Lyon mint (Lugdunum), 1st officina, AD 303-305
    MAXIMIANVS NOB C, Laureate and cuirassed bust of Galerius rigtht
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left holding cornucopia and wreath, before him an altar. PLG at exergue, star in right field
    10.01 gr
    Ref : Cohen #92, RCV # 14356 (100), RIC VI # 178b

    Q
     
  16. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    John, Thanks :happy:. MS folles aren't easy to find & they're getting more expensive :mad:.
     
  17. Al Kowsky

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    Curtis, Nice score :happy:. I've been looking for a MS early issue like your follis for a long time without success :(. They are scarcer than hen's teeth.
     
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  18. Al Kowsky

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    Q, Those are a couple of gems :happy:. Your 1st follis is a jaw dropper :jawdrop:! They don't get any better than that one :smuggrin:. Both sides are perfectly struck from fresh dies :cool:.
     
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  19. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    Congrats @Al Kowsky on finishing these groups. Those are great coins every one.
     
  20. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

    Congrats on completing the set, @Al Kowsky! Impressive coins as always. I don't have much to share from the tetrarchs. Here's a favorite Diocletian from Heraclea.
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    Diocletian, BI Nummus, Heraclea, AD 296-297
    Obv: IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, laureate head right
    Rev: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left, modius on head, naked but for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera from which liquid flows, and cornucopiae; HTΔ in exergue
    Ref: RIC Diocletian Heraclea 17a
     
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