2009 P EC DDO-001 ???

Good Morning Gentlemen! So. it is official, I am a coin nerd! lol I spent last nite making (and decorating -cuz I am a girl ) a custom sorting tray with cubbies for my coin rolling. I Had a snack and was gonna go to bed, but then I decided to go through 2 rolls. I sat down at my desk, with my hands covered in wood stain and glue (too dumb to wear my gloves) and dumped both rolls onto the desk.

I had purchased my first penny box about a week ago. I have made it about halfway through it. I'm going slow, taking my time and trying to learn. There were a lot of what I believe to be minor errors and varieties in these particular 2 rolls. I also found one that seems to look like extra hair off the forehead. I will get to that after this one.

So, when I first View attachment 1444398 saw this coin, I thought how cool!! cause it was the first one of the 2009 I have seen, So I started checking out the ear, not too sure about the doubled ears just yet. then went to
I went to Variety Vista. and low and berhold there is a DDO!

so what do you think? lmk! I am going to go through my nappy butt in the shower lol be back shortly and, of course, thanks!

 

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Being new here I want to be careful and not overreach healthy boundaries, so this is my thinking only (my judgement) nothing more.
On another forum from time to time we would see someone that would go to far with magnification and start seeing all sorts of minuscule little details, like shapes of mint marks and or numbers that's nothing more that slight imperfections of surface of the metal. I see lots of made to see mint marks in ebay listings.
I myself often times go overboard with magnification, but I'm very cautious when I do.
My rule is if it appears questionable with my naked eye, or say at 3X magnification (my bad eyesight LoL) then I'll go with say 10X.
My thinking is, say at 25X or 50X things I'm seeing can be in the realm of imaginary, or even if real is so insignificant that its not going to make it a rare or highly valuable coin.
Take this example, if Lincoln had say a doubled eyelid, or nose dimple, or whatever that you can't see at this Magnification, but you can see it at 50X it wouldn't change its value.
I had to stop looking to hard LoL!
About this coin, I recently purchased it for reasons of its reverse details, if you look at just the reverse what coin would you think it is? Don't look to hard.

 

It is really hard to see in full detail in your Photos Kristine.
What is kind of confirming the variety to me is the doubled lower lip. The die markers are there. You might try using a little less light when photo'ing coins with plating bubbles.
Here is a link to the variety.
http://varietyvista.com/01d LC Doubled Dies Vol 4/2009PECDDO001 cent.htm

 

Here is the point I was getting out about over magnification. This is the same 1909-VDB I posted earlier, but with a lot more magnification, now I found a trace of an "S" mint mark beneath the date.



Here is a better example. Found this 1940-D Lincoln Cent on ebay and I just liked it, I already had one but this was just an upgrade that I had to have.
Notice, Lincoln's got a pierced ear! who knew LoL!
Its a mint error, but its an insignificant error.

 

I can't see it from those photos, but congratulations on your "sorting tray" project.

I think @Bones-65 makes a valid point. Magnifying any coin will start to show things that brings out the pareidolia in us all. My personal rule is that if I can't see it with my name eye, I don't care and move on, which is why I don't bother with DD or varieties.

 

I can't pick up the details you are pointing out due to the glare. But the crack line on your coin seems to run differently than the diagnostic on the attributed specimen. If you play around with your lighting (making it softer), you might be able to show us something more to consider. We'll be here if you do.

 

Ok. Trying to get this all together. Learn the processes of how a coins made, look at mintage amounts and what mints, types of errors, grading system, %of coins graded at certain levels, the history or why things happen a certain way and now take better pictures! Could u pile it on a lil thicker! Lmoa! Whew!
All joking aside tho, thanks for the pointers. I wear glasses and if i didnt magnify at certain levels i would have missed quite a bit so far. But, about the paredolia,(great word, isnt it?). I put the coin aside with a label then when i have a small pile i then look at the label and examine it again to see if what i had originally saw was still there. Glad to i do this cause not only have i noticed my first assumption was wrong on some...but i noticed something i had totally missed the first go around! I like to take breaks then come back. Found that it works well for me!

 

There's no trace of a mint mark. Even on very worn and circulated coins
the mint mark will almost always be easily recognizable.
As for the OP, maybe there is something there. But in regards to DDs
the more dramatic ones that can be seen with the naked eye are the good ones. If you have to use magnification to find some very tiny, slight DD yes it may be a keeper but there's not going to be any real premium on it.

 

Very true. But in the learning process, going yhrough books and websites, I think that it has helped me tremendously. This area of coins is not something learned over night and definitely not without alot of leg work! :;

 

Magnification was mentioned earlier in this post. So all I say is if you magnify a coin enough, every coin would be an error.

 

So, explain further please...cuz i love the fact he has an "earring", just like you, even though it does nothing for the value. Now, what are you saying about the S, cause i see it too. is it where the mintmark should be? changing the whole concept of the coin? or is that just another error as to it was stamped lighter? or is it a mark left after as in PMD? or are you saying that its not really there but all in my head? lol cause seeing is believing, rt ?(wink wink)
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but no seriously, i put the coins under magnification to see things that are just some anomalies that i noticed upon looking at it without magnification or with my 10x handheld. it goes to my microscope for clarificatin or to see about markers. I have trouble discerning the date and most specially the MM even when using my hand held. lol i might need thicker glasses as Joe Pesci might say!

 

i am not doing this just to make a buck. i am doing this to learn about coins and their varieties and errors, How to identify and what to expect. eventually i hope to have a better grasp and not have to scrutinize/compare/look up ever little thing I see on a coin. Also i would love to find something no one has seen before

 

can you quantify please? less light with plating bubbles? thanks

 

I'm lost lol.. no trace of a mintmark? OP? help please

 

i would think its the 1909 highly sought after vdb? i am confused lol

 

No, there is no mint mark on that 09VDB. I've spent a lot of time over the past year+ looking through the newly listed 09SVDB's on ebay looking for fakes or altered ones, and I find a LOT of them LoL!
And from time to time I'll find a new ebay seller that will use so much magnification looking for the Holy Grail SVDB makers that they'll find a slight imperfection on surface of the coin that they can find something that looks like an S under the date. But you can run up the magnification and find LOTS of alpha bits on a coin, P's, Z's etc.... There was other problems with that coin as I remember that made it not a genuine SVDB. This is a case where people see a phantom mint mark. They'll ZOOM, tilt, move the light, until the see what they want. So, far with these I been pretty successful in dealing with the sellers directly using ebay messaging.

Now on the pierced ear Lincoln, when I saw the sharp detail and the soft wood grain and the price, I just like it for an upgrade. I did get exact coin but in hand that wonderful wood grain didn't make the grade in the coin image, but its still a very nice coin.

 

I didn't mean to confuse you.
Let me clear this up.
From 1 year ago until around this past Christmas if I had seen the reverse of that O9 VDB in say the end coin in a roll of Lincoln's I would have bet a good bit of money that it was an 09SVDB.
Its got the correct shallow valley "N" in UNITED as a genuine SVDB!
Its got all the periods in the designer's initials in the correct location!
The center cross bar of the "B" has the correct slant!
Well, I would have lost the bet. That coin is a 1909-P VDB!
I thought the Philly mint designer's initials were ALL different than the San Francisco Mint, WRONG!
There was some design changes to the reverse of the 09's for both mints.
There is an early version with a shallow valley "N" in UNITED and matching designer's initials, then there was a later version of the reverse that used a deep valley "N" for both mints, PLUS the philly mint slightly changed the designer's initials, the San Francisco mint drop the VDB earlier than the Philly mint did.

Here is both sides of that 09P-VDB.





Okay, here is a diagnostic image about the correct the VDB on a 09SVDB.
The image is correct for the SVDB!
But, its only half correct for the 09P-VDB! I didn't know that.



Then when I found the information on the deep and shallow "N" in UNITED, and I found that both verities were produced at the Philly Mint. Once I learned that I went on a search for what's been referred to as Type 1 I already had a Type 2. (note! there is NO Official Type 1 & 2, even though two actually exist.
I may have the only Lincoln collection in the world that has both LoL!

Here is the image of showing the information about "N" in UNITED.

 

The point is that when folks overmagnify something, they begin to 'see something'. It's often a delusion. This happens a lot when folks are trying to make out a minor DDO/DDR variety. They zoom in...over pixelate...over light a specimen to create things that aren't really there. Minor varieties generally carry very little interest amongst collectors and very little (if any) premium. But folks new to variety hunting will almost undoubtedly be caught up in this at some point and sometimes to excess. It also tends to happen on high value coins, where fraud is more common. But also where folks are hoping...praying...that they have the something that they are looking for. Will they hit the lottery? Get struck by lightning? Or has pareidolia struck again?

All understandable...and passes with time and experience.

 

The plating blisters refract a lot of light. I am not sure your setup. You may not be able to move them around.

 

Nope. I find it absolutely facinating. I am not in this for money gentlemen. It seems to be an overwhelming consensus from coin collectors. "It carries no premium" "the majority of collectors dont care about that coin" "its a lesser variety, no value". And so on.

I am not doing this looking to be the next great statistical anomoly! I am not putting effort and my life into like that of The fountain of youth or Forrsst Fenns treasure.

I am doing this cause i enjoy it. I am learning something completely unknown to me before. I thoroughly enjoy the hunt, the conversations with others because of my hunts, the interactions with people on the street, the quick history lesson that I have learned and/or passed on to someone, amd yes...the thrill of identifying a coin that has been plucked out of such a large pool and given a half a page in a book or an article online versus the thousands of others because it is special in its own right.

I thrive on learning new things and gaining new skills. If I was too list the myriad of jobs/careers/skill sets that load my resume you would be surprised, astonished and maybe even chuckle I am actively obsessed with the ability to master things that I havent before. I always passed the learning on to others. And my very large & eccentric skillset has come in super handy to others at just the right times.

Like right now, happening as ee speak. I decided to jump into coins several weeks ago. My neighbors unfortunately had an event happen to them that put me in a spot. He had a coin appraised in hopes of selling it & having the fiancial assistance with this unexpected & abrupt change in his life. When he told me what he had been going through, just now and what yhe coin was. My mouth just dropped. I was like no way. Honey, that $ is so ridiculously low its unbelievable. He was about to get scammed to the third degree. On top of everything else.

But because of my desire to learn coins, it put me in touch with some highly respected and reknowned people of this industry who I know will take good care of him! And if I hadnt had jumped into learning with such fever, I would never have been able to alert him of the immense folly he was about to trip into. He is not coin educated or knowledgeable about anything like this. He trusted experts to tell him.

I love learning, i live helping and 20 years from now i will still get excited about a 1969 D flosting roof