Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by coyndevil36, Jun 29, 2022.
Thank you for any help you can provide me !
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Hopefully someone will figure this out for you.
United States Patterns and Related Issues
Andrew W. Pollock III
It states the following:
323 Copper. Plain Edge. Rarity-8. Judd-274 (not listed Davis or Adams-Woodin)
(1) Kagin's, July1979, Metropolitan Washington, Lot 831*, AU
Kagin's, January 1981, Lot 931*, AU
(A) Parson's, Lot 401; Kagin's, August 1977, ANA, Lot 2165*, (same as 1?)
Auction price realized 1981: $1250 (AU)
The "323" is the Pollock number. The * indicates the coin was imaged
in that particular catalogue.
I hope this helps.
I believe I might just have such a coin as it appears to have the right color . I will need to get it examined- I'm guessing at a jeweler for elemental analysis ? I do not have it in hand right now as it's in the bank deposit box at this time but will post pics soon enough !
@coyndevil36 Here ya go. Pic is from Kagin's auction of 1979 (lot is 881, not 831). Resolution wasn't great in those days. We're spoiled with digital pics these days.
Yes, NGC or PCGS will do an elemental analysis ... but it will cost a fair bit. Call them. My experience with PCGS is that they send coins out to a private lab for elemental analysis. The lab uses scanning electron microscopy. It's still based on an analysis of emitted x-rays, but instead of a high energy x-rays displacing orbital electrons (the case for handheld x-ray fluorescence analyzers), it uses high energy electrons. The advantage is that multiple spots on a coin's side can be analyzed.
Some coin dealers have a handheld analyzer. If you can get one to do an analysis and the alloy turns out to be bronze, there's little sense in going further.
Before springing for elemental analysis by a TPG, send the coin for grading. You don't want to pay extra for analyzing a fake. If the grading company agrees with your Judd number (and they might), there's probably not much value in elemental analysis unless you're really curious.
You might try becoming a member then submitting the coin photos to CONECA: https://board.conecaonline.org/
They'll attribute it for free in the forum you choose and let you know what you have. They are very knowledgeable and quick about responding.
That said, an expert might be able to determine whether the coin is fake even if they can't determine whether it's the pattern or not.
In addition, there have been cases in the past where coins were sent to PCGS, the form stated it was a particular pattern, and PCGS took the submitter's word for it even though an elemental analysis should have been performed. I personally bought such a coin, and after I had an elemental analysis performed, PCGS had to change the Judd number on the label.
BTW, PCGS does not guarantee Judd numbers!
Very Interesting, I would think they would do the right thing given they are a big outfit and all . I will have to call them and see what they say.
Yes, I will look into joining CONECA at this point as I do have other coins I need to have looked at .
I still don’t know what a Specific Gravity test is. Any help
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