1831 Capped Bust Quarter Dollar

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  1. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Hey all! :D

    Just bought this Bust Quarter for $35. It is the small letter variety, but does anyone here know the exact variety? Thanks!

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  3. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    I'm no authority, but I think it's Browning-2 (R-1; one of the more common of 7 die varieites).
     
  4. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    More from Browning* regarding the 1831 25c :

    "A marked change appears in the quarter dollar of this year, the diameter is considerably reduced with a consequent increase in thickness. The change in type, however, is only affected by the size of the devices, which are reduced to conform to the size of the coin, and the omission from the reverse of the scroll bearing the motto, E PLURIBUS UNUM."




    * p 115, "The Early Quarter Dollars of the United States 1796 - 1838", A.W. Browning, revised edition 1992
     
  5. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Do you know where I can find some pictures of the varieties so I can compare them?
     
  6. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Some factors which distinguish this die marriage from others :

    Obverse :
    • In the date, upright of last "1" on right side is even with extreme left of Liberty's lowest curl
    • Distance from upper right star to cap is the same as distance between lower right star and curl.
    Reverse :
    • "25 C" small and low
    • Small letters in legend
    • no berries on olive branch
    • eagle has no tongue
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Why don't you try these links stainless - Bust Coins
     
  8. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

  9. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    It is indeed B2 but I show it in the Steve Tomkins book as an R2. There are 7 varieties for this year as stated by .900.
     
  10. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    very nice quarter.
     
  11. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Consensus - B-2. :) I read this after I sent Ryan an email. Nice coin Ryan.
     
  12. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Thank you to all! :D Too bad about the graffiti though on the obv.
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    But you still have the problem that you have to be able to attribute and confirm the varieties of the coins in Heritage's archives. Never trust the grading services, especially PCGS and NGC to attribute coins by die variety correctly (And if the services have attributed them, usually the auction house will just blindly accept their attribution.) For those that the TPG did not attribute and the auction house did, you can still find errors. In last weeks Pre-Long Beach sale at Heritage at least ten percent of the Conder token lots contained at least one misattributed coin. (It might have been higher because I only double checked the attributions on those lots that had a piece listed that I was interested in. I sent them a list of corrections and they did update the auction listings, one hour before the end of on-line bidding. Fortunately none of the lots went to a mail bidder.)
     
  14. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I have nothing to add except I really like that coin (well, except for the graffiti)!
     
  15. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Excellent points. Thank you ! This is an important clarification, and these points are vital to keep in mind.

    Just as one must grade for one's self and not blindly trust the slab for grade, one must attribute for one's self. Compared to grading, attribution is a more exact science and less subjective. It's discrete; either a certain die marriage produced a coin or it didn't.

    Of course, wear may obscure details and make attribution more iffy, and the debate is on ! :loud: :whistle:
     
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